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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Great blog article by a Democrat on the NH Rally etc..
Marcellus 03:53 PM 02-13-2020
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I’ve Been a Democrat for 20 Years. Here’s What I Experienced at Trump’s Rally in New Hampshire.

Normally when I publish content online, I focus on the world of work. I hope you’ll forgive this brief departure, but I think that those of us on the left need to take a long look in the mirror and have an honest conversation about what’s going on.

If you had told me 3 years ago that I would ever attend a Donald Trump rally, I would have laughed while assuring you that was never going to happen. Heck, if you had told me I would do it 3 months ago, I probably would have done the same thing. So, how did I find myself among 11,000+ Trump supporters in Manchester NH? Believe it or not, it all started with knitting.

You might not think of the knitting world as a particularly political community, but you’d be wrong. Many knitters are particularly active in social justice communities and love to discuss the revolutionary role that knitters have played in our culture.

As a casual knitter, I never really paid attention to this. I knit as a way to relax and escape the drama of real life, not to further engage with it, but for anyone who is active in the knitting world on Instagram, it became almost impossible to avoid it. It started about a year ago when roving gangs of online social justice warriors started going after anyone who was not lockstep in their ideology. People were bullied and mobbed by hundreds of people for such offenses as publishing an article expressing excitement about going on a trip to India, posting a video saying they were leaving IG because they were uncomfortable, and posting a poem asking for kindness. Katherine Jepsen Moore has documented the full stories extensively and the BBC recently covered it as well.

I started paying attention after one man who was attacked got mobbed so badly that he had a nervous breakdown and was admitted to the hospital on suicide watch. There was something that was not right (well, so many things really) and it witnessing the vitriol coming from those who I had aligned myself with politically was a massive wake up call.

You see, I was one of those Democrats who considered anyone who voted for Trump a racist. I thought they were horrible (yes, even deplorable) and had worked very hard to eliminate their voices from my spaces by unfriending or blocking people who spoke about their support of him, however minor their comments. I watched a lot of MSNBC, was convinced that everything he had done was horrible, that he hated anyone that wasn’t a straight, white man, and that he had no redeeming qualities.

But when I witnessed the amount of hate coming from the left in this small, niche knitting community, I started to question everything. I started making a proactive effort to break my echo chamber by listening to voices I thought I would disagree with. I wanted to understand their perspective, believing it would confirm that they were filled with hate for anyone that wasn’t like them.

That turned out not to be the case. The more voices outside of the left I listened to, the more I realized that these were not bad people. They were not racists, nazis, or white supremacists. We had differences of opinions on social and economic issues, but a difference of opinion does not make your opponent inherently evil. And they could justify their opinions using arguments, rather than the shouting and ranting I had seen coming from my side of the aisle.

I started to discover (or perhaps rediscover) the #WalkAway movement. I had heard about #WalkAway when MSNBC told me it was fake and a bunch of Russian bots. But then I started to meet real people who had been Democrats who had made the decision to leave because they could not stand the way the left was acting. I watched town halls they held with different minority communities (all available in their entirety on YouTube) and I saw sane, rational discussion from people of all different races, backgrounds, orientations, and experiences. I joined the Facebook group for the community and saw stories popping up daily of people sharing why they are leaving the Democratic party. This wasn’t fake. These people are not Russian bots. And moreover, it felt like a breath of fresh air. There was not universal agreement in this group — some were Trump supporters, some weren’t — but they talked and shared their perspective without shouting or rage or trying to cancel each other.

I started to question everything. How many stories had I been sold that weren’t true? What if my perception of the other side is wrong? How is it possible that half of the country is really overtly racist? Is it possible that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, and had I been suffering from it for the past three years?
And the biggest question of all was this: Did I hate Trump so much that I wanted to see my country fail just to spite him and everyone who voted for him?

Fast forward to the New Hampshire primary and we have all the politicians running around the state making their case. I’ve seen almost every Democratic candidate in person and almost universally their message is one of doom and gloom, focusing on not only on the obvious disagreements with Donald Trump but also making sure to emphasize that the country is a horribly racist place.

Now, I do believe there are very real issues when it comes to race that we as a society have yet to reckon with. I believe that everyone from every background of every gender should have equal access to opportunities and that no one is inherently more or less valuable or worthy than anyone else. And while Charlottesville was a tragedy precipitated by real racists and real nazis and real white supremacists, I started to see that those labels simply don’t apply to most people who support Trump.

But with all of this, I was still reticent to even consider attending a Trump event. I do not believe that Trump’s attitude is worthy of the highest office in the land. I abhor his Twitter. I am vehemently opposed to so many of his policies. But still, I wanted to see for myself.

I’m not going to lie, I was nervous, so I thought I would start my day in familiar territory at an MSNBC live show that was taking place a few blocks away from the rally. I decided to wear my red hat that looks like a Trump hat but with one small difference — it says “Make Speech Free Again” as my small protest against cancel culture. I even got a photo with MSNBC host Ari Melber while I was wearing it, just for kicks.

The funny thing about that hat is that it’s completely open to interpretation. When I wear it around left-leaning people, they think I’m talking about the right. When I wear it around right-leaning folks, they think I’m talking about the left. It’s a really stark reminder of how much our own perspectives and biases play into how we view the world.

In chatting with the folks at the taping, I said casually that I was thinking about going over to the Trump rally. The first reaction they had was a genuine fear for my safety. I had never seen people I didn’t know so passionately urge me to avoid all of those people. One woman told me that these people were the lowest of the low. Another man told me that he had gone to one of his rallies in the past and had been the target of harassment by large muscle-bound men. Another woman offered me her pepper spray. I assured them all that I thought I would be fine but that I would get the heck out of dodge if I got nervous.

What they didn’t know is that they weren’t the only ones I had heard from that were afraid. Some of my more right-leaning friends online had expressed genuine fear at my going as well….but not because they were afraid of the attendees. They were afraid of people on the left violently attacking attendees! This was one day after a man had run his car through a republican voter registration tent in Florida and there was a genuine fear that there would be a repeat, or that Antifa would bus people up from Boston for it. Just as I had assured those on the left, I told them I thought I would be fine because we don’t really have Antifa in New Hampshire.

But I’m not going to say it didn’t get to me a bit. When everyone around you is nervous for your safety, it’s hard not to question if they have a point. But it also made me more determined to see it through because it was a stark reminder that both sides view each other exactly the same way. They are both scared of the other side and what they are capable of. I couldn’t help but think that if they could just see the world through the lens of the other for a moment or two, it would be a stark revelation that they don’t know as much as they think they do.

So I headed over an hour and a half before the doors were scheduled to open (which was 4 hours before Trump was set to take the stage) and the line already stretched a mile away from the entrance to the arena. As I waited, I chatted with the folks around me. And contrary to all the fears expressed, they were so nice! I was not harassed or intimidated and was never in fear of my safety even for a moment. These were average everyday people. They were veterans, school teachers, and small business owners and they had come from all over the place for the thrill of attending this rally. They were upbeat and excited. In chatting, I even let it slip that I was a democrat and the reaction was “Good for you! Welcome!”

Once we got inside, the atmosphere was jubilant! It was more like attending a rock concert than a political rally. People were genuinely enjoying themselves. Some were even dancing to music being played over the loudspeakers! It was so different than any other political event I had ever attended. Even Obama in 2008 didn’t feel like this.

I had attended an event with all of the Democratic contenders just two days prior in exactly the same arena and the contrast was stark. First, Trump completely filled the arena all the way up to the top. Even with every major Democratic candidate in attendance the other night, and the campaigns giving away free tickets, the Democrats did not do that. With Trump, every single person was unified around a singular goal. With the Democrats, the audience booed over candidates they didn’t like and got in literal shouting matches with each other. With Trump, there was a genuinely optimistic view of the future. With the Democrats, it was doom and gloom. With Trump, there was a genuine feeling of pride of being an American. With the Democrats, they emphasized that the country was a racist place from top to bottom.

Now, Trump is always going to present the best case he can. And yes, he lies. This is provable. But the strength of this rally wasn’t about the facts and figures. It was a group of people who felt like they had someone in their corner, that would fight for them. Some people say “well obviously they’re having a great time. They’re in a cult.” I don’t think that’s true. The reality is that many people I spoke to do disagree with Trump on things. They don’t always like his attitude. They wish he wouldn’t tweet so much. People who are in cults don’t question their leaders. The people I spoke with did, but the pros in their eyes far outweighed the cons. They don’t love him because they think he’s perfect. They love him despite his flaws because they believe he has their back.

As I left the rally (walking by thousands of people who were watching it on a giant monitor outside of the arena because they couldn’t get in), I knew that there was no way Trump was going to lose in November. Absolutely no way. I truly believe that it doesn’t matter who the Democrats nominate: Trump is going to trounce them. If you don’t believe me, attend one of his rallies and see for yourself. Don’t worry, they really won’t hurt you.

Today, I voted in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary for Pete Buttigieg. I genuinely feel that Pete would be great for this country, and maybe he’ll have his opportunity in the future. But tomorrow, I’ll be changing my voter registration from Democrat to Independent and walking away from the party I’ve spent the last 20 years in to sit in the middle for a while. There are extremes in both parties that I am uncomfortable with, but I also fundamentally believe that most people on both sides are good, decent human beings that want the best for the country but have dramatic disagreements on how to get there. But until we start seeing each other as human beings, there will be no bridging the divide. I refuse to be a part of the divisiveness any longer. I refuse to hate people I don’t know simply because they choose to vote for someone else.
If we’re going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps towards one another rather than away.

I think the Democrats have an ass-kicking coming to them in November, and I think most of them will be utterly shocked when it happens because they’re existing in an echo chamber that is not reflective of the broader reality. I hope it’s a wake-up call and causes them to take a long look in the mirror and really ask themselves how they got here. Maybe then they’ll start listening. I tend to doubt it, but I can hope.

https://gen.medium.com/ive-been-a-de...e-c69ddaaf6d07
Someone actually using their brain rather than listening to the nonsense media and echochamber.
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Marcellus 11:09 AM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Lol, Marcellus and Pete posted the same dumb article from somebody never's heard of talking about how "the left has gone crazy!". Right wingers are so outrageously easy to grift.
:-)

I see you didnt read the article.
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NJChiefsFan27 11:56 AM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
:-)

I see you didnt read the article.
This article is for Trump supporters. It's why you and Pete both posted it. You guys will support the work of anybody on the left who shits on Democrats even if you've never heard of them before.
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Pogue 12:03 PM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Yeah sure. He trails in the polls.
Only dumb people believe that has any significance.
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Hoopsdoc 09:57 PM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Cops suspended for using ok sign in group photo.

But it's just wacky leftists that thinks there is something to the idea that seemingly innocuous hand gestures can convey a darker meaning!
That doesn’t refute what I said at all.

The fact remains that you were easily duped by some trolls on 4 chan. Shall I post the history again?
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Hoopsdoc 10:09 PM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Cops suspended for using ok sign in group photo.

But it's just wacky leftists that thinks there is something to the idea that seemingly innocuous hand gestures can convey a darker meaning!
Here’s what the ADL has to say about it- “The most important thing to understand is, the ‘OK’ gesture is not a reliable indicator of white supremacy,” Pitcavage said. “No one should make any assumptions about anyone using such a gesture being a white supremacist unless there are other indicators of white supremacy in that same context.”




“The ‘OK’ hand sign has been used by people from the alt-right and it has been used by white supremacists,” Mark Pitcavage, senior research fellow for the ADL’s center on extremism, said during a recent phone interview. ”But when most of them are using it, it’s not to signify anything so much as to trigger people.”

Hmmm, what kind of person are they warning us about with the bolded? Oh right, easily triggered morons like you.
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Randallflagg 08:31 PM 02-15-2020
Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc:
Here’s what the ADL has to say about it- “The most important thing to understand is, the ‘OK’ gesture is not a reliable indicator of white supremacy,” Pitcavage said. “No one should make any assumptions about anyone using such a gesture being a white supremacist unless there are other indicators of white supremacy in that same context.”




“The ‘OK’ hand sign has been used by people from the alt-right and it has been used by white supremacists,” Mark Pitcavage, senior research fellow for the ADL’s center on extremism, said during a recent phone interview. ”But when most of them are using it, it’s not to signify anything so much as to trigger people.”

Hmmm, what kind of person are they warning us about with the bolded? Oh right, easily triggered morons like you.

Interesting....So you mean that all those years ago when I was scuba certified that I was actually telling my fellow divers that I was a white supremacist and vice versa?

Geez....go figure.
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Discuss Thrower 08:32 PM 02-15-2020
THE CIRCLE GAME IS RACIST
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Baby Lee 11:34 PM 02-15-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
This article is for Trump supporters. It's why you and Pete both posted it. You guys will support the work of anybody on the left who shits on Democrats even if you've never heard of them before.
Even assuming your negative inferences here as true, it belies the narrative that 'the right' is racist and tribal.

'The right' is concerned with your ideas. They oppose people with ideas akin to what the left is offering up currently, and welcome anyone who rejects them as well.
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scho63 12:21 AM 02-16-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
This article is for Trump supporters. It's why you and Pete both posted it. You guys will support the work of anybody on the left who shits on Democrats even if you've never heard of them before.
Many Dems have awoken to the good times of 2020 and what Trump has done to Make America Great Again for everyone.

Then there are people like you and Cosmo and RodeoShitHisPants and Lex Loser and Jim Hammer and Donger and Prison Bitch and Mr Kotter and SuperBowlIV and Oakland Hater who are so blinded by hate, rage and anger at your own failures, that you are missing out at one of the greatest times in our history.

Sucks to be you! :-)
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NJChiefsFan27 12:58 AM 02-16-2020
Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc:
That doesn’t refute what I said at all.

The fact remains that you were easily duped by some trolls on 4 chan. Shall I post the history again?
It directly refutes your premise because you're telling me that I'm crazy for thinking the ok gesture can in any way be linked to white power. I showed you an example of a police department disciplining it's officers for using it. Did they get 'duped' too?

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc:
Here’s what the ADL has to say about it- “The most important thing to understand is, the ‘OK’ gesture is not a reliable indicator of white supremacy,” Pitcavage said. “No one should make any assumptions about anyone using such a gesture being a white supremacist unless there are other indicators of white supremacy in that same context.”

“The ‘OK’ hand sign has been used by people from the alt-right and it has been used by white supremacists,” Mark Pitcavage, senior research fellow for the ADL’s center on extremism, said during a recent phone interview. ”But when most of them are using it, it’s not to signify anything so much as to trigger people.”

Hmmm, what kind of person are they warning us about with the bolded? Oh right, easily triggered morons like you.
You don't seem to have any idea of the arguments that I made regarding the OK hand gesture if that was your takeaway. In fact, I specifically said that use of the hand gesture outside of a normal context indicates somebody who is racist, a right wing troll, or both. All you've done is expose that you were too triggered by what I said to actually understand the points that were made.
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NJChiefsFan27 01:11 AM 02-16-2020
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
Even assuming your negative inferences here as true, it belies the narrative that 'the right' is racist and tribal.

'The right' is concerned with your ideas. They oppose people with ideas akin to what the left is offering up currently, and welcome anyone who rejects them as well.
Great. But the propping up of alleged former Democrats, almost all of which were random nobodies before their political awakening, is almost exclusively a right wing phenomenon.

Originally Posted by scho63:
Many Dems have awoken to the good times of 2020 and what Trump has done to Make America Great Again for everyone.

Then there are people like you and Cosmo and RodeoShitHisPants and Lex Loser and Jim Hammer and Donger and Prison Bitch and Mr Kotter and SuperBowlIV and Oakland Hater who are so blinded by hate, rage and anger at your own failures, that you are missing out at one of the greatest times in our history.

Sucks to be you! :-)
I was told a couple of years ago that the #walkaway campaign was going to expose the left and lead to a huge turnout for the GOP. But that astroturfed movement fell flat and Democrats won the House by the largest margin ever by either party in a midterm election. Try living in reality for a few.
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scho63 01:32 AM 02-16-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
I was told a couple of years ago that the #walkaway campaign was going to expose the left and lead to a huge turnout for the GOP. But that astroturfed movement fell flat and Democrats won the House by the largest margin ever by either party in a midterm election. Try living in reality for a few.
I think 2020 is going to be Apocalypse Now for the Dems.....:-)
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Baby Lee 01:39 AM 02-16-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Great. But the propping up of alleged former Democrats, almost all of which were random nobodies before their political awakening, is almost exclusively a right wing phenomenon.
What propping up? Did I miss her signing on to a network sitcom or getting a primetime spot on FoxNews?

It's social media discourse. 'The right' sees a narrative that makes sense to them from someone and give it the equivalent of a friendly honk or a thumbs-up.

The left avoids the substance of the narrative like the plague and focuses instead on smearing the author.

She's just a lady, an individual, with a first-person story she felt compelled to tell.

Critique her nobody-ness all you like, beats taking your narratives from the likes of Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow who, leaving aside their conflicts of interest on both ideological and career-centered grounds, are interpreting events from the remove of video footage and hearsay to make their conclusions about the nature of the conflict.
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NJChiefsFan27 02:12 AM 02-16-2020
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
What propping up? Did I miss her signing on to a network sitcom or getting a primetime spot on FoxNews?

It's social media discourse. 'The right' sees a narrative that makes sense to them from someone and give it the equivalent of a friendly honk or a thumbs-up.

The left avoids the substance of the narrative like the plague and focuses instead on smearing the author.

She's just a lady, an individual, with a first-person story she felt compelled to tell.

Critique her nobody-ness all you like, beats taking your narratives from the likes of Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow who, leaving aside their conflicts of interest on both ideological and career-centered grounds, are interpreting events from the remove of video footage and hearsay to make their conclusions about the nature of the conflict.
This woman is a microcosm of what I'm talking about. Dave Rubin, Candace Owens, many members of the supposed "intellectual dark web" have done quite well for themselves following a nearly identical playbook. You don't realize it's a grift because you're not very bright.
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Baby Lee 02:21 AM 02-16-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
This woman is a microcosm of what I'm talking about. Dave Rubin, Candace Owens, many members of the supposed "intellectual dark web" have done quite well for themselves following a nearly identical playbook. You don't realize it's a grift because you're not very bright.
I'm aware of the possibility that she's reading tea leaves on the market for political opinion and simply maximizing her brand, but as I pointed out earlier, it doesn't change the fact that you lot avoid the substance of her story like the plague and reflexively go into personal attack mode. You're even oblivious to the way that your response reinforces her narrative more than she could alone.

It seems pretty clear that she's a person who exists and has an existing online presence and a self-owned business. There exists a possibility she might be 'grifting' for a new customer base, but she's not a fabrication or a bot or RUSSIANS!!, and she felt strongly enough to make public comment.

But I appreciate the aspersions. Down the road, it will go far towards neutralizing my compassionate instincts when you are down and out and looking for empathy. You clearly deserve all the flack you get.

Being labelled as 'not bright' by one of the dimmest bulbs on the site is like handing me cash money, particularly given the history. I'm more than sanguine letting the board decide for themselves who is and is emphatically not the bright one here.
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