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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Great blog article by a Democrat on the NH Rally etc..
Marcellus 03:53 PM 02-13-2020
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Iíve Been a Democrat for 20 Years. Hereís What I Experienced at Trumpís Rally in New Hampshire.

Normally when I publish content online, I focus on the world of work. I hope youíll forgive this brief departure, but I think that those of us on the left need to take a long look in the mirror and have an honest conversation about whatís going on.

If you had told me 3 years ago that I would ever attend a Donald Trump rally, I would have laughed while assuring you that was never going to happen. Heck, if you had told me I would do it 3 months ago, I probably would have done the same thing. So, how did I find myself among 11,000+ Trump supporters in Manchester NH? Believe it or not, it all started with knitting.

You might not think of the knitting world as a particularly political community, but youíd be wrong. Many knitters are particularly active in social justice communities and love to discuss the revolutionary role that knitters have played in our culture.

As a casual knitter, I never really paid attention to this. I knit as a way to relax and escape the drama of real life, not to further engage with it, but for anyone who is active in the knitting world on Instagram, it became almost impossible to avoid it. It started about a year ago when roving gangs of online social justice warriors started going after anyone who was not lockstep in their ideology. People were bullied and mobbed by hundreds of people for such offenses as publishing an article expressing excitement about going on a trip to India, posting a video saying they were leaving IG because they were uncomfortable, and posting a poem asking for kindness. Katherine Jepsen Moore has documented the full stories extensively and the BBC recently covered it as well.

I started paying attention after one man who was attacked got mobbed so badly that he had a nervous breakdown and was admitted to the hospital on suicide watch. There was something that was not right (well, so many things really) and it witnessing the vitriol coming from those who I had aligned myself with politically was a massive wake up call.

You see, I was one of those Democrats who considered anyone who voted for Trump a racist. I thought they were horrible (yes, even deplorable) and had worked very hard to eliminate their voices from my spaces by unfriending or blocking people who spoke about their support of him, however minor their comments. I watched a lot of MSNBC, was convinced that everything he had done was horrible, that he hated anyone that wasnít a straight, white man, and that he had no redeeming qualities.

But when I witnessed the amount of hate coming from the left in this small, niche knitting community, I started to question everything. I started making a proactive effort to break my echo chamber by listening to voices I thought I would disagree with. I wanted to understand their perspective, believing it would confirm that they were filled with hate for anyone that wasnít like them.

That turned out not to be the case. The more voices outside of the left I listened to, the more I realized that these were not bad people. They were not racists, nazis, or white supremacists. We had differences of opinions on social and economic issues, but a difference of opinion does not make your opponent inherently evil. And they could justify their opinions using arguments, rather than the shouting and ranting I had seen coming from my side of the aisle.

I started to discover (or perhaps rediscover) the #WalkAway movement. I had heard about #WalkAway when MSNBC told me it was fake and a bunch of Russian bots. But then I started to meet real people who had been Democrats who had made the decision to leave because they could not stand the way the left was acting. I watched town halls they held with different minority communities (all available in their entirety on YouTube) and I saw sane, rational discussion from people of all different races, backgrounds, orientations, and experiences. I joined the Facebook group for the community and saw stories popping up daily of people sharing why they are leaving the Democratic party. This wasnít fake. These people are not Russian bots. And moreover, it felt like a breath of fresh air. There was not universal agreement in this group ó some were Trump supporters, some werenít ó but they talked and shared their perspective without shouting or rage or trying to cancel each other.

I started to question everything. How many stories had I been sold that werenít true? What if my perception of the other side is wrong? How is it possible that half of the country is really overtly racist? Is it possible that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, and had I been suffering from it for the past three years?
And the biggest question of all was this: Did I hate Trump so much that I wanted to see my country fail just to spite him and everyone who voted for him?

Fast forward to the New Hampshire primary and we have all the politicians running around the state making their case. Iíve seen almost every Democratic candidate in person and almost universally their message is one of doom and gloom, focusing on not only on the obvious disagreements with Donald Trump but also making sure to emphasize that the country is a horribly racist place.

Now, I do believe there are very real issues when it comes to race that we as a society have yet to reckon with. I believe that everyone from every background of every gender should have equal access to opportunities and that no one is inherently more or less valuable or worthy than anyone else. And while Charlottesville was a tragedy precipitated by real racists and real nazis and real white supremacists, I started to see that those labels simply donít apply to most people who support Trump.

But with all of this, I was still reticent to even consider attending a Trump event. I do not believe that Trumpís attitude is worthy of the highest office in the land. I abhor his Twitter. I am vehemently opposed to so many of his policies. But still, I wanted to see for myself.

Iím not going to lie, I was nervous, so I thought I would start my day in familiar territory at an MSNBC live show that was taking place a few blocks away from the rally. I decided to wear my red hat that looks like a Trump hat but with one small difference ó it says ďMake Speech Free AgainĒ as my small protest against cancel culture. I even got a photo with MSNBC host Ari Melber while I was wearing it, just for kicks.

The funny thing about that hat is that itís completely open to interpretation. When I wear it around left-leaning people, they think Iím talking about the right. When I wear it around right-leaning folks, they think Iím talking about the left. Itís a really stark reminder of how much our own perspectives and biases play into how we view the world.

In chatting with the folks at the taping, I said casually that I was thinking about going over to the Trump rally. The first reaction they had was a genuine fear for my safety. I had never seen people I didnít know so passionately urge me to avoid all of those people. One woman told me that these people were the lowest of the low. Another man told me that he had gone to one of his rallies in the past and had been the target of harassment by large muscle-bound men. Another woman offered me her pepper spray. I assured them all that I thought I would be fine but that I would get the heck out of dodge if I got nervous.

What they didnít know is that they werenít the only ones I had heard from that were afraid. Some of my more right-leaning friends online had expressed genuine fear at my going as wellÖ.but not because they were afraid of the attendees. They were afraid of people on the left violently attacking attendees! This was one day after a man had run his car through a republican voter registration tent in Florida and there was a genuine fear that there would be a repeat, or that Antifa would bus people up from Boston for it. Just as I had assured those on the left, I told them I thought I would be fine because we donít really have Antifa in New Hampshire.

But Iím not going to say it didnít get to me a bit. When everyone around you is nervous for your safety, itís hard not to question if they have a point. But it also made me more determined to see it through because it was a stark reminder that both sides view each other exactly the same way. They are both scared of the other side and what they are capable of. I couldnít help but think that if they could just see the world through the lens of the other for a moment or two, it would be a stark revelation that they donít know as much as they think they do.

So I headed over an hour and a half before the doors were scheduled to open (which was 4 hours before Trump was set to take the stage) and the line already stretched a mile away from the entrance to the arena. As I waited, I chatted with the folks around me. And contrary to all the fears expressed, they were so nice! I was not harassed or intimidated and was never in fear of my safety even for a moment. These were average everyday people. They were veterans, school teachers, and small business owners and they had come from all over the place for the thrill of attending this rally. They were upbeat and excited. In chatting, I even let it slip that I was a democrat and the reaction was ďGood for you! Welcome!Ē

Once we got inside, the atmosphere was jubilant! It was more like attending a rock concert than a political rally. People were genuinely enjoying themselves. Some were even dancing to music being played over the loudspeakers! It was so different than any other political event I had ever attended. Even Obama in 2008 didnít feel like this.

I had attended an event with all of the Democratic contenders just two days prior in exactly the same arena and the contrast was stark. First, Trump completely filled the arena all the way up to the top. Even with every major Democratic candidate in attendance the other night, and the campaigns giving away free tickets, the Democrats did not do that. With Trump, every single person was unified around a singular goal. With the Democrats, the audience booed over candidates they didnít like and got in literal shouting matches with each other. With Trump, there was a genuinely optimistic view of the future. With the Democrats, it was doom and gloom. With Trump, there was a genuine feeling of pride of being an American. With the Democrats, they emphasized that the country was a racist place from top to bottom.

Now, Trump is always going to present the best case he can. And yes, he lies. This is provable. But the strength of this rally wasnít about the facts and figures. It was a group of people who felt like they had someone in their corner, that would fight for them. Some people say ďwell obviously theyíre having a great time. Theyíre in a cult.Ē I donít think thatís true. The reality is that many people I spoke to do disagree with Trump on things. They donít always like his attitude. They wish he wouldnít tweet so much. People who are in cults donít question their leaders. The people I spoke with did, but the pros in their eyes far outweighed the cons. They donít love him because they think heís perfect. They love him despite his flaws because they believe he has their back.

As I left the rally (walking by thousands of people who were watching it on a giant monitor outside of the arena because they couldnít get in), I knew that there was no way Trump was going to lose in November. Absolutely no way. I truly believe that it doesnít matter who the Democrats nominate: Trump is going to trounce them. If you donít believe me, attend one of his rallies and see for yourself. Donít worry, they really wonít hurt you.

Today, I voted in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary for Pete Buttigieg. I genuinely feel that Pete would be great for this country, and maybe heíll have his opportunity in the future. But tomorrow, Iíll be changing my voter registration from Democrat to Independent and walking away from the party Iíve spent the last 20 years in to sit in the middle for a while. There are extremes in both parties that I am uncomfortable with, but I also fundamentally believe that most people on both sides are good, decent human beings that want the best for the country but have dramatic disagreements on how to get there. But until we start seeing each other as human beings, there will be no bridging the divide. I refuse to be a part of the divisiveness any longer. I refuse to hate people I donít know simply because they choose to vote for someone else.
If weíre going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps towards one another rather than away.

I think the Democrats have an ass-kicking coming to them in November, and I think most of them will be utterly shocked when it happens because theyíre existing in an echo chamber that is not reflective of the broader reality. I hope itís a wake-up call and causes them to take a long look in the mirror and really ask themselves how they got here. Maybe then theyíll start listening. I tend to doubt it, but I can hope.

https://gen.medium.com/ive-been-a-de...e-c69ddaaf6d07
Someone actually using their brain rather than listening to the nonsense media and echochamber.
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notorious 04:12 PM 02-13-2020
Welcome to the "Independent" party, officially known as "Undeclared".

You get to make fun of both sides. It's fun!
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BucEyedPea 04:25 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Someone actually using their brain rather than listening to the nonsense media and echochamber.
Yeah, banyon needs to read it.
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Bob Dole 04:38 PM 02-13-2020
#RussianBot
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Randallflagg 06:26 PM 02-13-2020
Well lady, the only way I could possibly respond to your well written, yet not concise editorial follows.

Your first mistake - Telling yourself that Trump is a "racist". Where in the name of all that is Holy did you ever get your evidence from? Let me guess...your cohorts and of course, as a democrat, you regurgitated that nonsense.

Your observation that Trump is going to destroy any democrat that runs against him is spot on, but not a new revelation.

The only observation I can give again - is your omission of the absolute deceit that is practiced by the dems on a daily basis. This alone makes Goebbels proud.

Your second mistake - watching MSNBC. They are a hate-filled propaganda arm of "democrat" party.

And finally, your statement: "If we’re going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps towards one another rather than away."

Honestly, I believe that this country is forever changed. There will never be a "healing". We had that opportunity years ago and chose, instead to make "party" the answer to everything - just like the USSR.
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Prison Bitch 06:58 PM 02-13-2020
Yeah sure. He trails in the polls.
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Ninerfan11 07:04 PM 02-13-2020
Black people still won't vote for him, that's the sadness of it all.
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HonestChieffan 10:25 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Randallflagg:
Well lady, the only way I could possibly respond to your well written, yet not concise editorial follows.

Your first mistake - Telling yourself that Trump is a "racist". Where in the name of all that is Holy did you ever get your evidence from? Let me guess...your cohorts and of course, as a democrat, you regurgitated that nonsense.

Your observation that Trump is going to destroy any democrat that runs against him is spot on, but not a new revelation.

The only observation I can give again - is your omission of the absolute deceit that is practiced by the dems on a daily basis. This alone makes Goebbels proud.

Your second mistake - watching MSNBC. They are a hate-filled propaganda arm of "democrat" party.

And finally, your statement: "If weíre going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps towards one another rather than away."

Honestly, I believe that this country is forever changed. There will never be a "healing". We had that opportunity years ago and chose, instead to make "party" the answer to everything - just like the USSR.
I pray we heal. And this era of division comes to an end. If we donít our grandchildren are doomed to live in a very bad place that we created. We is all of us.
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Bowser 10:55 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Yeah sure. He trails in the polls.
But does he, though
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Randallflagg 11:03 PM 02-13-2020
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
I pray we heal. And this era of division comes to an end. If we donít our grandchildren are doomed to live in a very bad place that we created. We is all of us.
I look back several years and I remember a country where democrats and republicans worked for a common goal - the US.

Now? they get "elected" (and I use that term very loosely) and they head to the land of milk and honey for any government position.

Sit on your ass and when you are not on your ass - attack, attack, attack.

The democrats don't give a damn about working with anyone, let alone republicans. They spend their time living in a fantasy world and they are putting everything they have into unseating a duly elected President; and why?

Because he isn't an ass sitter. He is an outsider and how DARE he come into OUR town and tell us what to do?

This country is in deep trouble - and, should they become successful in impeaching this President (make no mistake, they will bring impeachment charges if Trump spits on the sidewalk)

We will then be a banana republic and will enter the darkest time in this country's history.
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NJChiefsFan27 01:46 AM 02-14-2020
Lol, Marcellus and Pete posted the same dumb article from somebody never's heard of talking about how "the left has gone crazy!". Right wingers are so outrageously easy to grift.
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Titty Meat 01:58 AM 02-14-2020
The Heavens Gate cult had alot of energy around eachother too
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Hoopsdoc 08:03 AM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Lol, Marcellus and Pete posted the same dumb article from somebody never's heard of talking about how "the left has gone crazy!". Right wingers are so outrageously easy to grift.
A few nutjobs convinced you that the ok symbol is racist. :-)
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petegz28 08:28 AM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc:
A few nutjobs convinced you that the ok symbol is racist. :-)
:-)
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NJChiefsFan27 11:07 AM 02-14-2020
Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc:
A few nutjobs convinced you that the ok symbol is racist. :-)
Cops suspended for using ok sign in group photo.

But it's just wacky leftists that thinks there is something to the idea that seemingly innocuous hand gestures can convey a darker meaning!
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