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The Lounge>Per Verderame: Veach would prefer to keep Chris Jones
RunKC 09:27 AM 02-10-2020
Interesting article here. Not a huge fan of Verderame but he was at the Super Bowl and he does go to the combine. I think he gets some tips, albeit from Terez (who is a nice guy).

Here is the most interesting part of the article. 2021 and 2022 would be extremely difficult to manage.

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What the Chiefs can do with their money

Looking at Kansas City’s cap situation, it can release wide receiver Sammy Watkins and linebacker Damien Wilson, clearing out $18.5 million in space. Combined with rollover money and already existing room, that’s enough cash for Veach to tag Jones, re-sign a few other pending free agents and extend Patrick Mahomes.

Speaking of Mahomes, the 24-year-old quarterback is likely to soon be the highest-paid player in the league. This is another important factor to consider.

Let’s play GM for a moment and do the following to the Chiefs’ roster:

•Cut Sammy Watkins
•Cut Damien Wilson
•Cut Cam Erving

Extend Patrick Mahomes on a five-year, $200 million deal
Use franchise tag on Chris Jones
Allow $10 million for free agents and draft picks
Keep $2 million in emergency space
Using the Jared Goff and Carson Wentz extension structures as a template, Mahomes’ cap hit would approximately be $11 million this season. Factor in Jones’ tag and the $12 million outlined above, and Kansas City is laying out $35 million.

The Chiefs could do it. But while it’s palatable for 2020, what about 2021 and beyond?

If Kansas City gave Mahomes the aforementioned extension, his cap number would be enormous in 2021, potentially the full $40 million figure. If the Chiefs also signed Jones to Clark’s exact deal, the cap number would be $22.7 million in 2021.

If we account for a slight rise in the NFL salary cap both this year and next, it’ll be around $210 million. Under these parameters, Kansas City would be looking at the following cap hits in 2021:

Patrick Mahomes ($40M)
Frank Clark ($24.2M)
Chris Jones ($22.7)
Tyrann Mathieu ($19.7M)
Tyreek Hill ($15.7M)
In total, the top five players on the Chiefs would be earning $122.3 million, or 58 percent of the salary cap.

Going into this offseason with a projected $200 million salary cap, only one team is currently allocating more than 50 percent to their top five players: the Los Angeles Rams at 54 percent.

Kansas City can always create cap space with extensions and releases, but tying up such a large chunk of money in five players is dangerous. The Chiefs would be largely unable to sign any other meaningful free agents for a few years — including their own — while being completely reliant on the draft to restock departing talent.

In his three years at the helm, Veach has proven to believe in acquiring top-shelf talent and filling in around them with low-cost, high-upside veteran deals (see: Damien Williams, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Pennel) and rookie deals.

Jones certainly fits Veach’s profile. The question is if he fits into Kansas City’s payroll.
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The Franchise 11:03 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
The fact is he was hurt half the year and average the rest of it. Struggled in the SB and is one of the highest-paid players on the team.

No way he is worth 15 million for 2020.
:-)
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O.city 11:05 AM 02-10-2020
If you cut Fisher you gotta find someone to replace him and those guys are usually taken in the first round
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Halfcan 11:08 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
:-)
What part do you disagree with? Do you think Fisher is worth 15 million when he only played half the year, plus struggled when he came back?

Why is talking about Fisher off-limits?
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pugsnotdrugs19 11:09 AM 02-10-2020
I’m not against trading Jones, I’m against trading him for less than he’s worth.

If you can’t get a 1st and some change, needs to be at least two 2nds and then some.
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The Franchise 11:10 AM 02-10-2020
If Watkins won’t take a pay cut.....then you try and trade him.
Then you cut LDT, Reiter and Erving. LDT is overpaid and not as good as he once was. Reiter is trash and Erving isn’t an NFL level player. Colquitt needs to retire.

Those moves give you almost $39 million.

Bring back Wiz at LG, draft a center and put Rankin at RG. We have Allegretti and Wylie is a ERFA. We also have Jackson Barton that we signed from the Colts PS.
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DRM08 11:11 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
What part do you disagree with? Do you think Fisher is worth 15 million when he only played half the year, plus struggled when he came back?

Why is talking about Fisher off-limits?
Because the backup LT almost got Mahomes killed this season. They would have to magically find one hell of a replacement to dump Fisher at this moment.
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MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 11:11 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
If Watkins wonít take a pay cut.....then you try and trade him.
Then you cut LDT, Reiter and Erving. LDT is overpaid and not as good as he once was. Reiter is trash and Erving isnít an NFL level player. Colquitt needs to retire.

Those moves give you almost $39 million.

Bring back Wiz at LG, draft a center and put Rankin at RG. We have Allegretti and Wylie is a ERFA. We also have Jackson Barton that we signed from the Colts PS.
Reiter is trash? He was the second best O Lineman besides Schwartz against the best D Line in the league in the 49ers
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Lzen 11:11 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
8 million bucks. His spirit still lingers.
Damn! When does that go off the books?

Every day I'm liking Berry less and less.
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The Franchise 11:12 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
What part do you disagree with? Do you think Fisher is worth 15 million when he only played half the year, plus struggled when he came back?

Why is talking about Fisher off-limits?
He didnít struggle when he came back. And Iíd say there are about 15-20 other teams that would take him at his cap hit right now.
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RunKC 11:13 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
The fact is he was hurt half the year and average the rest of it. Struggled in the SB and is one of the highest-paid players on the team.

No way he is worth 15 million for 2020.
Fisher missed 2 games in 5 seasons from 2014-2018. He was the definition of iron man. Fisher is not a broke dick.

This is the NFL. Literally every player gets hurt eventually. Even Pat got hurt and it was a fluke.

Good luck finding a replacement for Fisher that is halfway decent. Youíre either spending more money to buy one (which we canít do) or giving up tons of draft picks to move up to get one. Neither of those ideas are as good as just keeping him.

Fisher played a top 5 edge rusher in the league. Of course he struggled. Pat Mahomes struggled for 3 quarters until the 2-3 jet chip wasp play.

And guess what? Fisher did his job against Bosa. This play literally does not happen without Eric Fisher doing his job...and we likely lose the Super Bowl.

This is extremely premium arm talent right here pic.twitter.com/KubNqLs1Ob

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) February 3, 2020

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The Franchise 11:13 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!:
Reiter is trash? He was the second best O Lineman besides Schwartz against the best D Line in the league in the 49ers
If you quote PFF....than you can get fucked.
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wachashi 11:15 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
At least a mid first and a third round pick. Maybe the Dolphins.
Not happening. The Chiefs gave up about 240 points in draft capital for Clark, using this trade value chart. Your trade scenario says Jones is worth 357 points - 50% more than we paid for Clark. KC would be fortunate to collect trade compensation for Jones in-line with what Clark commanded. I believe we'll get less for Jones than what we gave up for Clark.
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wachashi 11:16 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
If Watkins wonít take a pay cut.....then you try and trade him.
Then you cut LDT, Reiter and Erving. LDT is overpaid and not as good as he once was. Reiter is trash and Erving isnít an NFL level player. Colquitt needs to retire.

Those moves give you almost $39 million.

Bring back Wiz at LG, draft a center and put Rankin at RG. We have Allegretti and Wylie is a ERFA. We also have Jackson Barton that we signed from the Colts PS.
The only reason a team would trade for Sammy right now is if they thought it was very likely he would restructure with the Chiefs at a big pay cut. In that scenario, they'd contact the Chiefs with a trade deal and offer Sammy better compensation. Otherwise, you'd just wait for him to be cut and scoop him up.
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pugsnotdrugs19 11:17 AM 02-10-2020
I could see Miami giving their late 1st + a 2 or 3
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BigRedChief 11:18 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
If Watkins won’t take a pay cut.....then you try and trade him.
Then you cut LDT, Reiter and Erving. LDT is overpaid and not as good as he once was. Reiter is trash and Erving isn’t an NFL level player. Colquitt needs to retire.

Those moves give you almost $39 million.

Bring back Wiz at LG, draft a center and put Rankin at RG. We have Allegretti and Wylie is a ERFA. We also have Jackson Barton that we signed from the Colts PS.
yeah, **** a straight salary dump. But, he can go to a new team and get his money. I don’t know what the rules are but, can his agent negotiate with another team for a contract with the Chiefs permission before the deal is finalized. They do that in baseball.
Teams will give us more if they get Jones beyond the one year.
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