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The Lounge>Per Verderame: Veach would prefer to keep Chris Jones
RunKC 09:27 AM 02-10-2020
Interesting article here. Not a huge fan of Verderame but he was at the Super Bowl and he does go to the combine. I think he gets some tips, albeit from Terez (who is a nice guy).

Here is the most interesting part of the article. 2021 and 2022 would be extremely difficult to manage.

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What the Chiefs can do with their money

Looking at Kansas City’s cap situation, it can release wide receiver Sammy Watkins and linebacker Damien Wilson, clearing out $18.5 million in space. Combined with rollover money and already existing room, that’s enough cash for Veach to tag Jones, re-sign a few other pending free agents and extend Patrick Mahomes.

Speaking of Mahomes, the 24-year-old quarterback is likely to soon be the highest-paid player in the league. This is another important factor to consider.

Let’s play GM for a moment and do the following to the Chiefs’ roster:

•Cut Sammy Watkins
•Cut Damien Wilson
•Cut Cam Erving

Extend Patrick Mahomes on a five-year, $200 million deal
Use franchise tag on Chris Jones
Allow $10 million for free agents and draft picks
Keep $2 million in emergency space
Using the Jared Goff and Carson Wentz extension structures as a template, Mahomes’ cap hit would approximately be $11 million this season. Factor in Jones’ tag and the $12 million outlined above, and Kansas City is laying out $35 million.

The Chiefs could do it. But while it’s palatable for 2020, what about 2021 and beyond?

If Kansas City gave Mahomes the aforementioned extension, his cap number would be enormous in 2021, potentially the full $40 million figure. If the Chiefs also signed Jones to Clark’s exact deal, the cap number would be $22.7 million in 2021.

If we account for a slight rise in the NFL salary cap both this year and next, it’ll be around $210 million. Under these parameters, Kansas City would be looking at the following cap hits in 2021:

Patrick Mahomes ($40M)
Frank Clark ($24.2M)
Chris Jones ($22.7)
Tyrann Mathieu ($19.7M)
Tyreek Hill ($15.7M)
In total, the top five players on the Chiefs would be earning $122.3 million, or 58 percent of the salary cap.

Going into this offseason with a projected $200 million salary cap, only one team is currently allocating more than 50 percent to their top five players: the Los Angeles Rams at 54 percent.

Kansas City can always create cap space with extensions and releases, but tying up such a large chunk of money in five players is dangerous. The Chiefs would be largely unable to sign any other meaningful free agents for a few years — including their own — while being completely reliant on the draft to restock departing talent.

In his three years at the helm, Veach has proven to believe in acquiring top-shelf talent and filling in around them with low-cost, high-upside veteran deals (see: Damien Williams, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Pennel) and rookie deals.

Jones certainly fits Veach’s profile. The question is if he fits into Kansas City’s payroll.
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The Franchise 10:48 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
On the open market Jones may get more though...
Thatís going to be his decision to make. KC isnít paying him that much. Do you want an extra $4 million a year for a chance to play on a mediocre team or $4 million less to stay here and have a chance at a ring again.
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MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 10:49 AM 02-10-2020
Why on earth would we cut Fisher?? We didnít lose a single game in which he started this year.
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pugsnotdrugs19 10:50 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by bsp4444:
Dam AND Prescott? Both of them? You donít say...:-)
Fuck, Watson

You know what I mean!
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pugsnotdrugs19 10:51 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!:
Why on earth would we cut Fisher?? We didnít lose a single game in which he started this year.
You wouldnít cut him this year

But Iíd start to think about finding a cheaper player early in the draft after this season
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CaliforniaChief 10:51 AM 02-10-2020
Not sure we can know anything until there's clarity on the CBA. Once we know that, we proceed.

#1: Take care of Patrick.

#2: Repeat the 2019 draft.

#3: Everything else.
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pugsnotdrugs19 10:52 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Thatís going to be his decision to make. KC isnít paying him that much. Do you want an extra $4 million a year for a chance to play on a mediocre team or $4 million less to stay here and have a chance at a ring again.
Well that and I donít see KC giving him that option. I donít think he hits the market this year.
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Halfcan 10:54 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
You would think watching the offense struggle without Fisher would be proof enough. You donít cut him. Heís too valuable.

And replacing him with be damn hard. A decent LT like Fisher is not easy to find.
Fisher missed 8 games and it took him two games to get up to speed when he came back.

LDT missed 2 games in 2019 and 11 games in 2018

Erving and Reiter are average at best.

We have a lot of money invested in the O line for 2020 and we have guys that have an injury history or are just above average.
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O.city 10:54 AM 02-10-2020
Tag and trade jones
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pugsnotdrugs19 10:56 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Tag and trade jones
At what price? Just best offer?

I think you have to draw a line somewhere
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The Franchise 10:57 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Well that and I donít see KC giving him that option. I donít think he hits the market this year.
Nope. You make him your best offer and if he doesnít accept it....then you tag and trade him. Itís a shitty option but itís a possibility. It also opens up the ability to get more young talent on this team.
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O.city 10:58 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
At what price? Just best offer?

I think you have to draw a line somewhere
Probably about the same thing we gave for Clark. Iíd like to get better since jones is better than clark
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O.city 10:59 AM 02-10-2020
Take all the emotion out of this guys. It’s not smart to tie up that much into a few guys. One of them gets hurt your fucked.
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The Franchise 10:59 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
At what price? Just best offer?

I think you have to draw a line somewhere
At least a mid first and a third round pick. Maybe the Dolphins.
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Halfcan 11:00 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!:
Why on earth would we cut Fisher?? We didnít lose a single game in which he started this year.
The fact is he was hurt half the year and average the rest of it. Struggled in the SB and is one of the highest-paid players on the team.

No way he is worth 15 million for 2020.
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BigRedChief 11:00 AM 02-10-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Tag and trade jones
this what is really best for the teams long term interests. This is just the new reality for the Chiefs.

We are going to have to let great players go elsewhere. It’s really a good problem to have since it’s not because of Veach’s mistakes but our past and perceived future success.
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