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Hog's Gone Fishin 05:40 AM 12-01-2018
5 weeks left in the season and then playoffs. The release of the video was a deliberate conspiracy to sabatoge the Chiefs season knowing this would be an automatic 6 game exemption. With the underhanded things the Patriots have been caught doing in the past, it would make a person wonder.
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In58men 04:04 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
So now not only are the refs out to get us but an unknown person/entity is as well.

Come on man!!!!
Money will make people act strange. I don’t know why they felt the need to post it.
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patteeu 04:04 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Anyone here familiar with Occam's razor?
Is that one of those subscription services?
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Hog's Gone Fishin 04:13 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
So now not only are the refs out to get us but an unknown person/entity is as well.

Come on man!!!!
The source has already been named.
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BlackOp 04:16 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
So now not only are the refs out to get us but an unknown person/entity is as well.

Come on man!!!!
Like it or not... somebody released the footage with knowledge of the exempt list. The timing of a 10 month old video of a forgotten incident shouldn't be downplayed...it was deliberate.

TMZ wasn't trolling around the Cleveland police department...someone contacted them with the footage. Who ever had it...had been sitting on it.
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Mile High Mania 04:27 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
Like it or not... somebody released the footage with knowledge of the exempt list. The timing of a 10 month old video of a forgotten incident shouldn't be downplayed...it was deliberate.

TMZ wasn't trolling around the Cleveland police department...someone contacted them with the footage. Who ever had it...had been sitting on it.
Somebody with knowledge of the exempt list that Hunt wasn't on... what the hell? Sometimes you don't just leap off the deep end, you're catapulted.
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Hog's Gone Fishin 04:31 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin:
This was just posted on Patriotsplanet:

Originally Posted by Hawg73 View Post
Heh. As if anybody at TMZ knew about this.

Ernie Adams is Belichick's right-hand man and the most mysterious man in the NFL.

He also worked with Bill in Cleveland and still has friends within the Cleveland Police, so he knew about the incident within hours of it happening. You could question the timing of it being released now, but Ernie is no dummy and it could have been predicated on the NFL putting Hunt on the exempt list, which it did, and the timeline necessary to get him off that list which would make him ineligible for the post-season and give the Pats better odds to obtain home field advantage by handicapping their toughest opponent.

I'm not sure about the mechanics, the hows and whys, but I know that Ernie Adams is the person that is responsible for TMZ obtaining the vid.

Don't both asking for links. I'm not in a position to provide one, but you don't want this guy watching you.

Just to be fair, The author of this statement is now saying it was put up as a joke to mock the stupidity of Chiefs fans. I believe him because he is under the assumption you guys are nuts.:-)
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BlackOp 04:39 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin:
Just to be fair, The author of this statement is now saying it was put up as a joke to mock the stupidity of Chiefs fans. I believe him because he is under the assumption you guys are nuts.:-)
Regardless...I'm not the only person...who's first thought was "this is sabotage". Especially when TMZ used "brutalized" and made that word larger than the rest of the headline. Hunt was railroaded out of nowhere..it was like an exaggerated political attack ad.

Within only 12 hours...Chiefs no longer has their star RB.

Somebody had been waiting to play that chess piece for a while...and it worked.
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Hog's Gone Fishin 04:45 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
Regardless...I'm not the only person...who's first thought was "this is sabotage". Especially when TMZ used "brutalized" and made that word larger than the rest of the headline. Hunt was railroaded out of nowhere..it was like an exaggerated political attack ad.

Within only 12 hours...Chiefs no longer has their star RB.

Somebody had been waiting to play that chess piece for a while...and it worked.
Without a doubt
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patteeu 04:46 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
Regardless...I'm not the only person...who's first thought was "this is sabotage". Especially when TMZ used "brutalized" and made that word larger than the rest of the headline. Hunt was railroaded out of nowhere..it was like an exaggerated political attack ad.

Within only 12 hours...Chiefs no longer has their star RB.

Somebody had been waiting to play that chess piece for a while...and it worked.
You're probably not the right messenger for this very plausible conspiracy theory. No offense intended.
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Mile High Mania 04:46 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
Regardless...I'm not the only person...who's first thought was "this is sabotage". Especially when TMZ used "brutalized" and made that word larger than the rest of the headline. Hunt was railroaded out of nowhere..it was like an exaggerated political attack ad.

Within only 12 hours...Chiefs no longer has their star RB.

Somebody had been waiting to play that chess piece for a while...and it worked.

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DrunkBassGuitar 04:50 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
The fact TMZ has access to body cam footage indicates it was leaked by Cleveland police. From what's posted below...The police usually reject requests for evidence until after a 2 year statute of limitations period... in case there are charges filed later.

So who leaked the video if TMZ doesn't have to power to obtain it...obviously a 3rd party is involved.

The claim on the Patriots forum says they have someone that still has connections with Cleveland police there...and they obviously would the top team to benefit by releasing it. There is definitely a motive...true or not.

SI article is interesting

It appears that the NFL had not seen the Hunt hotel video until TMZ published it on Friday. This begs the question of how a private media company could acquire a disturbing video about an athlete before that athlete’s private sports league—even when that league was aware of the video’s existence.

It isn’t as if TMZ is a governmental entity with subpoena power. And it isn’t as if TMZ is a party to a litigation that would permit pretrial discovery into the incident and its evidence. TMZ and the NFL are both private companies that are subject to the same rules of engagement. Yet, like with Ray Rice, TMZ acquired a crucial surveillance video while the NFL watched from the sideline.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that, according to sources, the NFL made “multiple attempts” to obtain the video but were denied by the hotel, the police and the persons who were near and around Hunt.

This is not surprising.

Hotels normally do not turn over surveillance videos unless required to do so by court order. Hotels, like any business, want to minimize their potential involvement in legal disputes. They will thus seek ways to evade participation in post-incident investigations. Hotels are also mindful of the risk of premises liability in the event someone is injured in an incident that occurs on the hotel’s property. Turning over the surveillance video—which is the Metropolitan Hotel’s private property—could make it more likely that someone in that ruckus claims an injury and sues the hotel.

As to law enforcement, while police departments are public entities and are thus subject to public records request, they are usually permitted under state law to reject such requests on account of an on-going police investigation. To that end, it remains possible that Hunt and others who were present could be charged with crimes. Ohio law generally provides for a six-year statute of limitations for felony charges and a two-year statute of limitations for misdemeanor charges. The fact that Hunt hasn’t been charged doesn’t guarantee he won’t be.
There's plenty of people who have access to those videos at the hotel or in the police station (or wherever they're stored). TMZ says "He's $1000 for the video" and someone gives them a copy. Or they make a copy and go to TMZ and say "here's what I have, how much can I get for it?" That's how TMZ does things, they pay people for videos that will generate a ton of clicks.

I wouldn't put much stock in some random patriots forum post.
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007 05:09 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Anyone here familiar with Occam's razor?
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BlackOp 05:11 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar:
There's plenty of people who have access to those videos at the hotel or in the police station (or wherever they're stored). TMZ says "He's $1000 for the video" and someone gives them a copy. Or they make a copy and go to TMZ and say "here's what I have, how much can I get for it?" That's how TMZ does things, they pay people for videos that will generate a ton of clicks.

I wouldn't put much stock in some random patriots forum post.
From my understanding, TMZ would have to make a formal request with the Cleveland PD to obtain the dash cam videos. Is there such a record? That article states they dont grant access until the statute of limitations expires...

If there is no record...somebody is leaking evidence internally...and prematurely.

If I were involved in a situation where a lawsuit might occur...I wouldn't want TMZ having access to video evidence before even going to court. That is why the time limit is put in place... as a protection..
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DrunkBassGuitar 05:15 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
From my understanding, TMZ would have to make a formal request with the Cleveland PD to obtain the dash cam videos. Is there such a record? That article states they dont grant access until the statute of limitations expires...

If there is no record...somebody is leaking evidence internally.
Well yeah, obviously someone leaked it. TMZ pays cash for those kinds of leaks.
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BlackOp 05:21 PM 12-01-2018
Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar:
Well yeah, obviously someone leaked it. TMZ pays cash for those kinds of leaks.
Does that make the Cleveland PD liable for damages? They were the only ones in possession of the dash cam videos....at least I would think so.
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