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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>We need to talk UFA corners.
Direckshun 09:24 AM 11-27-2018
Who is:

(a.) likely to be cut, or
(b.) likely to be allowed to walk by their team,

and

(c.) affordable for us?

We're probably looking at drafting or (or three) corners high in the draft, but we're probably going to have a one-year mid-level stopgap corner in 2019.

Who would that guy be? Anybody know? I only watch the Chiefs these days so I don't know who is non-elite-but-still-good, and who will be let go by their teams this year.

Here is the list of UFA corners:

Kareem Jackson CB 31 HOU TBD 11 63 1 1 2 2 $8,500,000 UFA -
Brent Grimes CB 36 TB TBD 9 32 1 $7,000,000 UFA -
Morris Claiborne CB 29 NYJ TBD 11 37 2 $7,000,000 UFA -
Buster Skrine CB 30 NYJ TBD 9 36 1 1 1 $6,250,000 UFA -
Rashaan Melvin CB 29 OAK TBD 9 29 1 $5,500,000 UFA -

Vontae Davis CB 31 BUF TBD 1 1 - UFA -
E.J. Gaines CB 27 CLE TBD 6 13 1 $4,000,000 UFA -
Jason McCourty CB 32 NE TBD 11 43 $3,000,000 UFA -
Tramaine Brock CB 31 DEN TBD 9 17 $3,000,000 UFA -
Justin Coleman CB 26 SEA TBD 11 37 1 $2,914,000 UFA -
Kayvon Webster CB 28 HOU TBD 1 1 $2,250,000 UFA -
Darqueze Dennard CB 27 CIN TBD 8 39 $1,994,725 UFA -
Jason Verrett CB 28 LAC TBD $1,972,251 UFA -
Bryce Callahan CB 27 CHI TBD 11 42 2 4 2 $1,907,000 UFA Market Value
Jimmie Ward CB 28 SF TBD 9 24 $1,778,134 UFA -
Justin Bethel CB 29 ATL TBD 9 11 $1,750,000 UFA -
Pierre Desir CB 28 IND TBD 11 51 1 1 $1,750,000 UFA -
Bradley Roby CB 27 DEN TBD 10 30 1 1 $1,738,132 UFA -
Marcus Cooper CB 29 DET TBD 2 $1,500,000 UFA -
Orlando Scandrick CB 32 KC TBD 11 29 1 $1,415,000 UFA -
Marcus Sherels CB 31 MIN TBD 8 $1,400,000 UFA -
Coty Sensabaugh CB 30 PIT TBD 10 32 $1,300,000 UFA -
Eric Rowe CB 26 NE TBD 4 10 $1,219,966 UFA -
Ronald Darby CB 25 PHI TBD 9 43 1 $1,142,423 UFA Market Value
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB 33 OAK TBD 7 8 1 $1,015,000 UFA -
Leon Hall CB 34 OAK TBD 8 25 1 $1,005,000 UFA -
Davon House CB 30 GB TBD 3 2 $1,005,000 UFA -
Sam Shields CB 31 LA TBD 10 19 1 $1,004,999 UFA -
Shareece Wright CB 32 HOU TBD 8 20 $915,000 UFA -
Josh Robinson CB 28 NO TBD 7 6 $915,000 UFA -
Leonard Johnson CB 29 ARI TBD 2 8 $915,000 UFA -
Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB 29 ATL TBD 3 4 $880,000 UFA -
Bashaud Breeland CB 27 GB TBD 3 13 1 $880,000 UFA Market Value
Phillip Gaines CB 28 CLE TBD 9 31 $880,000 UFA -
B.W. Webb CB 29 NYG TBD 11 37 1 2 1 $815,000 UFA -
Marcus Williams CB 28 TB TBD 2 3 $790,000 UFA -
David Amerson CB 27 ARI TBD 1 3 $790,000 UFA
P.J. Williams CB 26 NO TBD 10 37 1 1 2 1 $765,405 UFA -
Steven Nelson CB 26 KC TBD 11 44 3 $729,363 UFA -
Troy Hill CB 28 LA TBD 11 29 1 $705,000 UFA -
Tony Lippett CB 27 MIA TBD $705,000 UFA -
Josh Shaw CB 27 TB TBD 5 5 $705,000 UFA -
Tyler Patmon CB 28 JAC TBD 10 14 $660,000 UFA -
Dexter McDonald CB 27 OAK TBD $584,213 UFA -
Darryl Roberts CB 28 NYJ TBD 11 37 1 $583,556 UFA -

I've bolded the players I'm interested in. Is there anywhere online that ranks these players right now? I don't have (or want) a PFF subscription.
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O.city 09:28 AM 11-27-2018
Anyone over the age of 30 I'm probably out on.
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Direckshun 11:21 AM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by O.city:
Anyone over the age of 30 I'm probably out on.
That’s probably going to happen, though. They’re cheaper.

They can also be perfectly fine.
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The Pest 11:24 AM 11-27-2018
Morris Claiborne
Darqueze Dennard
Jimmie Ward
Eric Rowe
Ronald Darby
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O.city 11:32 AM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
That’s probably going to happen, though. They’re cheaper.

They can also be perfectly fine.
Sure, if you plan on just a 1 year deal.

If you go young you give yourself a chance that a guy actually fits and plays well and you can keep him a few more eyars on the cheap.
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pugsnotdrugs19 12:47 PM 11-27-2018
I’d prefer we attack corner in the draft mostly. Sign one veteran. Maybe Nelson.
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Direckshun 12:55 PM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:
Morris Claiborne
Darqueze Dennard
Jimmie Ward
Eric Rowe
Ronald Darby
We're not affording Darby. We're probably not affording Claiborne.

Dennard and Ward both make a ton of sense as elite prospects who haven't panned out exactly as expected. We know Veach loves reclamation projects.

Rowe makes some sense, too. He's a good player but coming back from an injury, which makes him cheap, and maybe a prime candidate for a 1 year "prove it" deal.
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O.city 12:58 PM 11-27-2018
Verrett on a prove it deal.
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Direckshun 01:01 PM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by O.city:
Verrett on a prove it deal.
I don't think there's any chance San Diego lets Verrett walk.

If they do, I think you just sign him up and he's young and talented enough you don't have to burn multiple high picks on corner anymore.
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Detoxing 02:04 PM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
I don't think there's any chance San Diego lets Verrett walk.
Oh you.

You can bet your ass they'll let him walk. And when he does, the best he'll get is a vet min 1 year deal.

He has PROVEN he's a massive health liability.
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Detoxing 02:06 PM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
We're not affording Darby. We're probably not affording Claiborne.

Dennard and Ward both make a ton of sense as elite prospects who haven't panned out exactly as expected. We know Veach loves reclamation projects.

Rowe makes some sense, too. He's a good player but coming back from an injury, which makes him cheap, and maybe a prime candidate for a 1 year "prove it" deal.
Claiborne won't be worth it and if they want Darby they can sign him. They were about to make Earl Thomas the richest, or 2nd richest safety in the NFL.

They paid Watkins 16mill to be a 3rd/4th receiving option.

If they want someone bad enough the Chiefs have proven time and time again that money is no obstacle.

It's simply a matter of how bad they want said player and if they think he's worth it.
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Direckshun 03:06 PM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Oh you.

You can bet your ass they'll let him walk. And when he does, the best he'll get is a vet min 1 year deal.

He has PROVEN he's a massive health liability.
Then we don't want him. Right?

Why the hell would we want that on us?
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The Pest 03:24 PM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
We're not affording Darby. We're probably not affording Claiborne.

Dennard and Ward both make a ton of sense as elite prospects who haven't panned out exactly as expected. We know Veach loves reclamation projects.

Rowe makes some sense, too. He's a good player but coming back from an injury, which makes him cheap, and maybe a prime candidate for a 1 year "prove it" deal.
Considering Darby will be coming off of a torn ACL.....he's not getting a big money deal.
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DJ's left nut 03:28 PM 11-27-2018
Originally Posted by O.city:
Sure, if you plan on just a 1 year deal.

If you go young you give yourself a chance that a guy actually fits and plays well and you can keep him a few more eyars on the cheap.
I'd say that will be exactly the plan.

The depth at CB fell apart when nobody developed worth a damn. So while we're trying to bring more DBs in here to try to develop and find new young starters and quality depth, we'll need some cost-effective stop-gaps.

I have no problem with another Scandrick situation, but I hope they're a little more proactive with it this time. They'd have been in real trouble had he not shaken free. Next time bring in 3 or more of those veteran flyers with little in the way of guaranteed money and put them against each other.

We're probably gonna be worse at CB next year than we are this year, sadly. That's just what's going to happen in this league when your youth fails to come through. It takes a couple years to get that straightened back out (and better defensive drafts, IMO).
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kccrow 06:52 PM 11-27-2018
Bryce Callahan and Justin Coleman are pretty good slot corners, especially Callahan. I'd have them on the list if they shake free. I like EJ Gaines enough to bring him in on the cheap.
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