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petegz28 10:12 PM 10-19-2017
That is all.
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booger 01:27 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
On the bright side we will probably have Hali, Nelson, Morse and LDT back vs Donks 11 days from now. That means no more Gaines and maybe Hali has something left and for the o line that means no more Erving. Our run game should be back to where it was.
all things i'm looking forward to. DJ's decline is a big problem. Ragland is little by little getting comfortable. KPL is as well and hopefully can make some plays in the pass game. Eligwe probably needs to be playing sooner than later as he is the future will on this D. I don;t think they bench DJ but they are going to have to rotate him a bunch to try and keep him fresh because he's hurting this D
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booger 01:28 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
If Sutton were to be fired who would you want to be the DC? Honestly I would try Gibbs or Al Harris
way too big of jump for Harris at this time. 3-4 years down the road is a more likely goal once Thomas retires and Harris has been the main DB coach a few years
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penbrook 01:28 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by booger:
all things i'm looking forward to. DJ's decline is a big problem. Ragland is little by little getting comfortable. KPL is as well and hopefully can make some plays in the pass game. Eligwe probably needs to be playing sooner than later as he is the future will on this D. I don;t think they bench DJ but they are going to have to rotate him a bunch to try and keep him fresh because he's hurting this D
He led the team with Sorenson with 7 tackles tonight and had a pass deflection. Not really a decline
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penbrook 01:29 AM 10-20-2017
Doesn’t Gibbs have DC experience
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booger 01:35 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
He led the team with Sorenson with 7 tackles tonight and had a pass deflection. Not really a decline
Terrance Mitchell had a bunch of tackles, does that mean he had a great game too? DJ isn't completely shot but its noticable to anyone with their eyes open. He hasn't consistantly been a wrap up tackler ever but now it is hurting him more when he body tackles. He makes a few plays a game where I get excited that there's the old DJ! but he hasn't really put together complete games. Part of that is they can't get off the field and are constantly playing 70 fucking snaps. He needs a break more often. KPL has to be ready and gain experience just like Ragland does. Eligwe it wouldn't hurt to get him some reps too if they are up a few scores ever.
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penbrook 01:36 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by booger:
Terrance Mitchell had a bunch of tackles, does that mean he had a great game too? DJ isn't completely shot but its noticable to anyone with their eyes open. He hasn't consistantly been a wrap up tackler ever but now it is hurting him more when he body tackles. He makes a few plays a game where I get excited that there's the old DJ! but he hasn't really put together complete games. Part of that is they can't get off the field and are constantly playing 70 ****ing snaps. He needs a break more often. KPL has to be ready and gain experience just like Ragland does. Eligwe it wouldn't hurt to get him some reps too if they are up a few scores ever.
Our second rounder has what like 0 snaps?
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booger 01:40 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
Doesn’t Gibbs have DC experience
Gibbs was a LB at Oklahoma then coached there as a GA, LB coach, DC, then head coach. They ran the same 3-4 okie, the same 2gap 3-4 Crennell and the parcells/bellichek guys ran all those years. Gibbs was apart of that the years the Sooners ran it. He was hired by Parcells as a LB coach with Dallas. He ran a 4-3 with the Saints as Payton's DC. Was a DC at Georgia and another SEC/ACC school before going to Dallas I believe. He was Romeo's DC later in the 2012 season once Romeo gave up calling the D. He's fully capable. Whether he want's to call the D is another story.
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booger 01:43 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
Our second rounder has what like 0 snaps?
2-3 on D. Otherwise he just plays FG/PAT block on special teams and has covered a few kickoffs i've seen. And I looked close at the last PAT of the game and I swear I didn't see him on the last one that won the game. Fucking rediculous with his height/long arms. Aside from Jones he has the most potential to block a FG.
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penbrook 01:46 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by booger:
2-3 on D. Otherwise he just plays FG/PAT block on special teams and has covered a few kickoffs i've seen. And I looked close at the last PAT of the game and I swear I didn't see him on the last one that won the game. ****ing rediculous with his height/long arms. Aside from Jones he has the most potential to block a FG.
Another reason why Dorsey was fired
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booger 01:54 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
Another reason why Dorsey was fired
I don't mind the pick. TK has great athletic ability and get's low like a DL needs too which is difficult for a guy his size. Problem is he is too light. 289 at the combine but he isn't that now. Speaking of the combine look at his on field workouts in LB drills. He was very fluid in his drops and flipping his hips. A freak and I like his future. But he's too light to play in the base D. I think I would like him inside as part of a rotation and lining up wide as well. This year is almost like a redshirt year. He needs a full offseason in an NFL weight room with the right diet. Maybe he was a luxury this team couldn't afford to take with their 2nd round pick. But I like his future. Once Tamba is activated I hope he moves back to DL full time
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booger 01:56 AM 10-20-2017
I'd guess after losing weight he gained before camp he probably is in the 275-280 range after sweating some off in the summer heat of camp. His first year is going to be tough as far as keeping on weight goes. Typical for all rookies
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penbrook 02:11 AM 10-20-2017
In other news Peters stood for the anthem
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mcaj22 03:05 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by bigjosh006:
Im down with ****ing with the 4-3.

This 34 defense eats cock. we have two capable 43 tackles in jones and bailey. And two 43 ends in houston and ford. SEND THOSE MOTHER****ERS AT THE QUARTERBACK EVERY GOD DAMN PLAY!
this team has no capable LBers to play the 43 and would get destroyed.

The 34 isnt the problem its this stupid nickel/dime package with the 6 defensive backs 50 percent of the game thats an issue.
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New World Order 03:47 AM 10-20-2017
Originally Posted by jspchief:
I'll repeat the same thing I've always said about Sutton and his schemes...

He gets by on the individual talent of his players. As long as a few of his star players go apeshit, he looks like a genius. Now, with injuries and age, there's not enough star power to prop up his mediocre coaching.
Turnovers kept this defense out of trouble last year.

This year they aren't forcing as many, and it's showing.
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chiefzilla1501 04:27 AM 10-20-2017
When you actually look up and down the roster, how much defensive talent do we actually have? It may have finally caught up to us. Aside from peters, Houston, and Jones, do we have anyone that rates above "solid"? Sorenson is an overachiever, Gaines is horrible, Ragland is horrible, Logan is a downgrade from Poe, DJ is washed up, Murray is a massive downgrade from Berry, Mitchell is OK but we need Nelson in there.

Andy Reid has loaded his offense with toys. We've ignored the defense for way too long. While I wish we were more versatile on scheme, I think it's a little overblown to think that blitzing more will solve anything. The problem is talent.
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