Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
You seem awfully invested in how you think everyone else should view Wallace.
Clearly, HE should have known it wasn't a noose, especially given that:
"In a Thursday conference call with reporters, NASCAR President Steve Phelps said investigators conducted a thorough sweep of all garage areas across the tracks where NASCAR races. That's 29 tracks and 1,684 garage stalls. 44 of them are at Talladega. Phelps said they found only 11 stalls using a pull down rope tied in a knot. And only one was tied into a noose – the one discovered in Wallace's garage."
When he comes out and calls anyone that is skeptical 'simple-minded' then yes, he should be viewed as a shitheel. Especially when he's taking active steps to go on shit like The View and Don Lemon to sit there and milk as much attention as possible without waiting on any sort of investigation to blast away at people who disagree with him.
Yup - shitheel. But you're welcome to applaud the guy for his remarkable bravery in the face of...a knot.
For what it's worth - that loop knot with the thick handle is gonna be a DAMN good pull down. Nice comfortable hand-hold for those times the rope's sideways and you're frustrated trying to find a good grip in the loop so you just grab the knot and yank.
That 'noose' loop is gonna be a hell of a lot more practical than the small loops with the little club knots on top of them or a straight rope, that's for sure.
P.S. It's still not a noose. Maybe it identifies as one and that explains the confusion. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yup. Sometimes I can turn it a second time and it fires, sometimes I can turn it 20 times and the my radio says "just take the truck, moron..."
I guess it could be the starter motor? I've had some pretty fun experiences in disphittery there including raining sparks on myself trying to bypass it with a screwdriver and eventually replacing 3 starter motors only to realize I had the !@#$ing thing in neutral so the safety switch was killing it.
But by God, I can change a starter motor quick as a hiccup now. Because...idiot. Undeniably the dumbest thing I've done. Ratchet shifters will get you every time...
Sounds like the starter solenoid or something internal of the starter itself. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you in such a damn bubble that you believe every garage door has an opener on it? And yes, if it's a door that you use with any frequency at all, you put a damn rope on it so you don't have to bend down and grab it AND so you can pull it back to stop when it gets up over your head.
You're just throwing off raw ignorance left, right and center here. Like I said - this discussion at least requires the life skills of a 12 year old and if you don't have the sense to know that yes, a SHITLOAD of garage doors are opened and closed by a damn rope, you really should just tap out of this discussion altogether.
They've never wavered on it being a noose because they ALL have their asses in the same sling right now. NASCAR ran with this stupid half-cocked bullshit at the same time Wallace did. They're all trying to cover their tails for looking like a bunch of race-baiting charlatans.
I'm saying they haven't pulled on it because the 'casual' shots that are supposed to be dispositive show a full loop. I'm saying that if the rope was used even a single time, that knot would've just come shut - at best it would be some little gnarled end where it popped a dudes fingers and it could've easily come undone altogether. It wouldn't be that nice perfect little loop that it shows in the pictures.
Unless, of course, it's a locked loop knot. Because of COURSE it is a locked loop knot. One that provides a nice handle to pull a door open/shut and is then hung on said loop when you shut the door so you don't have to lean down to pick it up.
Someone's never worked outdoors a day in his life, has he? I'm a soft as soft !@#$ing gets these days but I spent my formative years working on a ranch/farm and yes, we have loop knots out there. They're damn handy for getting a garage door to it's end point - it gets up over your head, you grab the loop and you drag backwards to make sure it drags all the way to stop (because if it doesn't, a tractor smokes it when you're parking it or it falls on someone's head if the weight shifts.)
Or maybe it's that string of really unlikely things suggested by the dude that thinks ropes aren't used to open garages.
Man - know when you're beaten. This is just kicking a retarded kid at this point.
I didnt read your entire post. Sorry.
My dad has owned a shop for longer than I've been alive and until about 3 years ago the doors were manual open and close. We never used the rope to open the doors only to close them. We grabbed a lip on the door until it got up to shoulder level then grabbed the bottom and threw it open. We'd pull in the rope to close the door.
Even if it's a short rope and attached to the very bottom of the door you aren't going to get the door very far open with a rope especially if you are grabbing at the end. So you might grab it to keep the door from 'slamming' too far open but our doors were for big vehicles and more often than not we'd have to use something to push it the rest of the way open not worry about it going too far. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Warpaint69:
Sounds like the starter solenoid or something internal of the starter itself.
Yeah, that was another theory but I keep forgetting to get under there to see if it's an internal solenoid. My memory the last time I dicked with it is that some have a solenoid that can be replaced independently of the rest of the starter but more commonly now they're all one unit.
But you're almost certainly right - I should probably begin with the starter. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah, that was another theory but I keep forgetting to get under there to see if it's an internal solenoid. My memory the last time I dicked with it is that some have a solenoid that can be replaced independently of the rest of the starter but more commonly now they're all one unit.
But you're almost certainly right - I should probably begin with the starter.
You can change the solenoid on a GM starter [Reply]
Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
I didnt read your entire post. Sorry.
My dad has owned a shop for longer than I've been alive and until about 3 years ago the doors were manual open and close. We never used the rope to open the doors only to close them. We grabbed a lip on the door until it got up to shoulder level then grabbed the bottom and threw it open. We'd pull in the rope to close the door.
Even if it's a short rope and attached to the very bottom of the door you aren't going to get the door very far open with a rope especially if you are grabbing at the end. So you might grab it to keep the door from 'slamming' too far open but our doors were for big vehicles and more often than not we'd have to use something to push it the rest of the way open not worry about it going too far.
I mean I've jumped on a rhino and shoved it back open when it's 'bounced' before, but having the rope is just handy. We use the rope to pop the door up to a tick over knee level from closed, kinda 'knee/curl' it up to our shoulders, shove it and then pull it the rest of the way when it invariably bounces back.
No, you don't track it all the way up with the rope, but you often find yourself using it in the act of opening/closing the door. Nascar doesn't have ropes on their bays if they aren't getting used.
If it were a 'noose' it would've changed shape in the year since the picture was taken. It hasn't. [Reply]
She's not only purty, she's drop dead gorgeous! That's a nice resto job. Restomod? You know this girl?
What's she got in her? My first car was a used '68 with a 327. Fixed it up nice then totaled it. Always been partial to the lines on 67-69. RS? SS? RS/SS? Z28? I must know more about her asap.
Edit - didn't see the RS badging at first. I might be in love with your girl. [Reply]
I think I might know why someone tied a Hangman's Loop/Lanyard Loop here.
I just noticed that in the picture, the loop is hanging right about at head height; s someone measured how long they wanted this rope/loop to be. If you just tied a bowline or a simple slip knot, you'd basically be left with a 4 foot-long tag end. If the loop is about 10-12 inches from the base of the wraps to the end of the loop, that'd be about 3-4 feet of tag end hanging there off the loop. For someone that works with ropes/lines, that's messy. Of course, you could just cut off the excess, but again, for someone that works with rope or line that's just lazy.
If I were this guy (or girl) and I was a fisherman or hunter or somehow spent a lot of time tying knots and working with rope, I'd think about how to tie the loop I wanted without either leaving a long tag end or having to cut a long piece off a perfectly good rope. Both of which are highly undesirable if you work a lot with rope or cordage.
And a Hangman's Loop is just about perfect for the pull loop we're all looking at in the picture. To make the knot, you'd put the door up and then form the loop (known as a bight) you wanted (it's exact size, length, height off the ground, wouldn't have to be adjusted while tying), pinch that together, probably pull the door down about halfway to make it easier to work, and then basically see if you had enough tag end to make 3.5 equal size bights or loops. If you did, and you were familiar with knots, you'd know right then that you could tie a Hangman's knot/Lanyard Loop, which is an adjustable friction slipknot, weighted near the loop so it wouldn't blow off a nail in a strong breeze, would be easily untied just by pulling it through, and finally you wouldn't have either a long tag end or have to cut the line.
Not saying that's what actually happened, as we'll probably never really know, but I've tied dozens of these knots, and one of the biggest reasons is their simplicity and neatness. It's not out of the spectrum of reality to think that, among NASCAR workers there'd be a few fishermen/hunters/whatever that knew their knots. And a Hangman's Loop/Lanyard Loop would be an elegant and easy solution. [Reply]
A noose was found hanging from the press box of a high school football stadium in Michigan. The incident is being investigated as a hate crime with the assistance of a local field office of the FBI, police say. https://t.co/z3tKJst6hF