Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by O.city:
Everyone they tested had mild symptoms and completely seroconverted. So yeah pretty much like any other virus
Now, this is expected. This looks pretty normal and is basically what we see for influenza. Sometime, somebody doesn't make antibodies (lack of seroconversion), but that is normal too. It is OK that this occurs, it happens for many other viruses at a low rate as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Shocking. It's a shame DJ isnt in here because he sure flipped alot of shit toward people who were skeptical of
hydroxychloroquine.
It's still got some hope of helping if they start it before things start getting bad, though that's obviously of limited use. It might prove to have uses still, though. We likely won't know until July from what I've read. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's still got some hope of helping if they start it before things start getting bad, though that's obviously of limited use. It might prove to have uses still, though. We likely won't know until July from what I've read.
Sorry DaFace I'm probably breaking rules here but judging from most studies it's nothing more than a certain leader who has stock in it and was pushing it to drive up its value like many other false things the past month or so. Of course its followers have echoed it because well it's what they do.
I'd love to be wrong but so far the only possible treatment is Remdesivri which delays things around 5 days or so.
Predictably the conspiracy crowd says Remdesivri only works because it more expensive. Of course. [Reply]
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Just saw the mayor of KC talking about barbers and hair stylists being open and said customers need to wear a mask and rubber gloves when we go for a trim.
Just a local FYI
The panic over haircut places seems to be overblown.
Is there any data to suggest that people getting haircuts increases the spread of other contagious respiratory illnesses such as the flu?
Yes COVID-19 is proving to be more contagious (so far) than the flu, but seasonal influenza is still contagious with an R0 of 1.3 and is transmitted in a similar airborne manner. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
The panic over haircut places seems to be overblown.
Is there any data to suggest that people getting haircuts increases the spread of other contagious respiratory illnesses such as the flu?
Yes COVID-19 is proving to be more contagious (so far) than the flu, but seasonal influenza is still contagious with an R0 of 1.3 and is transmitted in a similar airborne manner.
Flu has no asymptomatic spread with different incubation, and the difference between r0 of 1.3 and even 2.0 is very big
After 10 rounds of spread that’s a difference of 56 infected vs 2000plus something like that
They are both considered droplet spread , airborne would be a whole different story [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
The panic over haircut places seems to be overblown.
Is there any data to suggest that people getting haircuts increases the spread of other contagious respiratory illnesses such as the flu?
Yes COVID-19 is proving to be more contagious (so far) than the flu, but seasonal influenza is still contagious with an R0 of 1.3 and is transmitted in a similar airborne manner.
It’s about twice as contagious and 10x more lethal than the flu.
“April data from New York suggests that the infection fatality rate of Covid-19 was between 0.5 and 0.8 percent, which matches international estimates. Estimates of case fatality rates are higher and vary quite a bit country by country.
That infection fatality rate for Covid-19 is much, much higher than the flu, which has an infection fatality rate of around 0.02 to 0.05 percent, according to infectious disease epidemiologist Adam Kucharski on Twitter.” [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Sorry DaFace I'm probably breaking rules here but judging from most studies it's nothing more than a certain leader who has stock in it and was pushing it to drive up its value like many other false things the past month or so. Of course its followers have echoed it because well it's what they do.
I'd love to be wrong but so far the only possible treatment is Remdesivri which delays things around 5 days or so.
Predictably the conspiracy crowd says Remdesivri only works because it more expensive. Of course.
Still too early to tell on remdevisir as well , reduction in mortality rate is what’s we need and it hasn’t shown a difference in that category yet. It if can reduce hospitalizations that is still good . [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Sorry DaFace I'm probably breaking rules here but judging from most studies it's nothing more than a certain leader who has stock in it and was pushing it to drive up its value like many other false things the past month or so. Of course its followers have echoed it because well it's what they do.
I'd love to be wrong but so far the only possible treatment is Remdesivri which delays things around 5 days or so.
Predictably the conspiracy crowd says Remdesivri only works because it more expensive. Of course.
Maybe you should read the thread title... I thought we were banning folks for this BS in this thread. [Reply]
