Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by O.city:
And if that’s the way it goes well blow past 6 figure deaths easily. Sad shit man
Indeed it is. But we have to remember as time goes on we most likely get closer to having a treatment for this as we are seeing with Remdesivir. Yes, it is not a cure but it also has a potential to curb the death rate.
I mean let's face it, getting sick is part of life. We all get colds, we all get the flu. It is just at between our bodies being able to fight and\or potential treatments to limit the impact of such that allows us to see them as a nuisance when at one point they were very deadly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I’m thinking it gets closer to 200k than 100k
Hopefully I’m wrong
Maybe it does. But we've seen this throughout the history and it's a suck part of it. But every so often something comes around to thin the herd if you will. A plague. A war. Rocks from space. Most of those target people regardless of age and some even health. They just kill at random. With this we can at least feel a bit lucky that our kids have been relatively unharmed. Again it's a sad state of affairs with nothing close to a desirable outcome but if someone has to go at least it is those have in large part lived their lives.
Maybe that's just me trying to make the best out of a bad situation, I don't know. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Maybe it does. But we've seen this throughout the history and it's a suck part of it. But every so often something comes around to thin the herd if you will. A plague. A war. Rocks from space. Most of those target people regardless of age and some even health. They just kill at random. With this we can at least feel a bit lucky that our kids have been relatively unharmed. Again it's a sad state of affairs with nothing close to a desirable outcome but if someone has to go at least it is those have in large part lived their lives.
Maybe that's just me trying to make the best out of a bad situation, I don't know.
If it were kids instead of elderly getting rocked with this it would be a lot different publicity [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
I wish I could understand what Iowa’s doing. Our cases and deaths are rising at an alarming rate and they are opening things up.
On my birthday April 20th, we had 79 total deaths and 3,159 total confirmed cases in the state. Today, we have 8,642 cases and 176 total deaths.
Not exactly data that suggest opening most of the state back up.
They are playing politics with peoples lives. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Definitely enough to not make me overly worried about some worst second wave that is often predicted. I just think the amount of potential infections is going to be so much lower even a month from now than we really even imagine.
There's an assumption here that we're way, way, way off on the number of people who've had it. And maybe we are that far off, which is a major guessing game.
The problem is even if we are off by that much, we still might need 60-70% of the country to still get it to achieve herd immunity. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I don’t know how people here would have accepted welding people in the houses
I'm suspicious of that footage. Would those complexes only have the one entrance? What about a fire or other emergency? How did they get food in?
My guess is the welded doors were emergency exits or back doors being sealed so "whoever" can better control who is coming or going through a main entrance. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
It took their governor waiting for 23,000 people to die before he decided sanitizing the subways was a good thing.
Sanitizing them will help, but the biggest issue is subways simply existing with ppl riding them in close confined and lack of great ventilation. Don't expect it to do much. [Reply]
Bigcatdaddy I noticed you downvoted my last comment about opening up stuff in Iowa despite rising infections. America represents 4% of the world and about 1/4th of the deaths.
