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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Tnerped 06:49 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
I mentioned this obliquely earlier in the thread, but there is a thought that *some* the deleterious effects of COVID come from the downregulation of ACE2, an enzyme which converts angiotensin II to angiotensin 1-7. Ang 1-7 has several protective effects on the cardiovascular system, where as angiotensin II has harmful effects. If you remove the good and keep the bad, you will in essence create a positive (which is actually bad in homeostatic systems) feedback loop that will lead to cardiovascular and pulmonary injury.

Animal models have also demonstrated that smoking leads to an increase in Ang II and a decrease in ACE2. Again, more of the bad, less of the good.

If you take those factors together (again this is a theory without much evidence yet), then the mechanism of insult makes sense to me.
Besides hearsay, what exactly from vaping is doing this? I've vaped for almost 10 years, and my lungs have only gotten better.
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BryanBusby 06:50 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
I wonder if quitting smoking now would have any impact - or if it's too late.
Quitting at any moment will have an impact.
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Monticore 06:52 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by Tnerped:
Besides hearsay, what exactly from vaping is doing this? I've vaped for almost 10 years, and my lungs have only gotten better.
The consensus is vaping isn't good for you either although it is considered better than smoking.
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Bugeater 06:52 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
I wonder if quitting smoking now would have any impact - or if it's too late.
Well...there's reasons other than teh COVID to consider quitting....
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'Hamas' Jenkins 06:54 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The egg i think was the culprit which i think they removed.
Egg is still in some formulations. Overall, though, unless you've had anaphylactic reaction to eggs, you're generally still fine getting a flu shot that has egg protein in it. If so, ask for Flucelvax.
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TLO 06:55 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Quitting at any moment will have an impact.
Well I guess I'll just quit then.
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Monticore 06:55 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Egg is still in some formulations. Overall, though, unless you've had anaphylactic reaction to eggs, you're generally still fine getting a flu shot that has egg protein in it. If so, ask for Flucelvax.
Yeah, my son has a mild egg allergy and he still gets the shot yearly.
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TLO 06:56 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Well...there's reasons other than teh COVID to consider quitting....
True
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BryanBusby 06:57 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Well I guess I'll just quit then.
I quit 5 years ago after smoking for over a decade. I don't miss hacking and being sick and spending around $150 a month on the stupid habit.
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Monticore 07:00 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
I quit 5 years ago after smoking for over a decade. I don't miss hacking and being sick and spending around $150 a month on the stupid habit.
My dad quit 15 years ago after 2 pack a day habit and he feels great, i tried getting my mom to quit at the same and had no luck , she passed away from lung CA 8 years ago at 62.
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TLO 07:00 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
I quit 5 years ago after smoking for over a decade. I don't miss hacking and being sick and spending around $150 a month on the stupid habit.
Sounds like lung function takes at least a few months to recover. Former smokers may be at risk too.

I guess it's common sense, I've just been ignoring it because it has been a stress reliever especially the past month.
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BryanBusby 07:02 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Sounds like lung function takes at least a few months to recover. Former smokers may be at risk too.

I guess it's common sense, I've just been ignoring it because it has been a stress reliever especially the past month.
Yeah I treat myself as a higher risk person and avoid strangers when possible.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 07:02 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by Tnerped:
Besides hearsay, what exactly from vaping is doing this? I've vaped for almost 10 years, and my lungs have only gotten better.
There's a lot of newer info that I'm not as up to date on regarding vaping and lung injury. When new smoking cessation guidelines came out in early 2019, they were pretty agnostic about vaping, saying that it's better than smoking, but you're far better off actually trying to quit and using some combination of medication and counseling. They wouldn't make a recommendation about it at all. Late last year a lot of info came in, but I really don't know how solid the evidence is yet. One of the big culprits seemed to be vitamin E acetate, but I don't know how in depth those population studies are.

From a common sense perspective, you generally don't want a lot of aerosolized foreign particles in your lungs. Some are more harmful than others, obviously, but less is going to be better.
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Demonpenz 07:05 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by ghak99:
I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I know you old farts like to BBQ.

Two more cow kill plants, think hamburger, announced short term closures today and two more regular plants have so many people calling in sick they will likely do the same soon.

If taking a three day break and testing doesn't slow it down they're considering a two week shutdown. They are not releasing current bids on fats at all, which tells me they are cleaning up inventory and preparing for the worst. That might be significant in parts of the midwest as there is generally not enough in cold storage to bridge that gap.
some of the workers will die and then that gives openings to the people who need jobs. The Circle of life!
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KCUnited 07:07 PM 04-09-2020
Originally Posted by Demonpenz:
some of the workers will die and then that gives openings to the people who need jobs. The Circle of life!
Nature’s attrition
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