Cap room for him? Not really, but moves could be made.
Draft capital for him? Maybe, but we're awfully low in the draft.
Tunsil trade (For record-keeping purposes, the trade saw the Dolphins acquire first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a second-round pick in 2021 along with offensive tackle Julién Davenport and defensive back Johnson Bademosi in exchange for Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round selection.)
It only took the Ravens a little over a year to learn their selection of Orlando Brown was a wise one, but they've met a new challenge with the tackle that could be their last.
Brown has expressed his desire to be traded, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday. After spending the majority of 2020 on the left side in place of the injured Ronnie Stanley, Brown has found his comfort zone and does not want to return to the right side. He'll only play for a team that will line him up at his preferred left tackle position, per Rapoport.
Rapoport added the Ravens value Brown significantly and would need major compensation in order to do a deal.
Brown's background is on the left side, but he ended up in Baltimore as a right tackle after a poor pre-draft showing saw him slide from a first-round projection to an eventual third-round pick of the Ravens. He blossomed in 2019 and especially in 2020 after switching to the left side to replace Stanley, earning his second straight trip to the Pro Bowl -- and first as an initial selection. Thanks to Brown's quick adjustment to the left side of the line, Baltimore didn't lose much in offensive production following Stanley's injury, finishing as the league's No. 1 rushing offense for a second straight season.
Brown's success on the left side and desire to remain there might very well also be tied to the financial ramifications of the tackle position. As it currently stands, there is a $5 million per year difference between the league's highest-paid right tackle (Philadelphia's Lane Johnson) and left tackle (Green Bay's David Bakhtiari). Of the top 10 highest-paid tackles in the NFL (in terms of average salary per year), only two -- Johnson and Las Vegas' Trent Brown -- are right tackles.
Orlando Brown missed out on significant money typically afforded to first-round picks right around the moment when he racked the bar after just 14 bench-press reps during a nightmarish 2018 NFL Scouting Combine. He's made a little over $1.8 million in base salary total in his first three seasons, and though he will see a significant boost in 2021 (base salary of $3.38 million) due to the structure of his rookie deal, that's still an incredibly far cry from where tackles of his level land in compensation ranking.
After demonstrating his ability to effectively handle the transition from right to left tackle -- a return to his roots, essentially -- Brown is in a prime position to capitalize financially and beyond. He'll maximize his earning potential by remaining a left tackle, and he'll probably enjoy playing the game a bit more in a stance and vantage point that's more familiar to him, anyway.
If that doesn't fit in Baltimore, the Ravens will have to move him. And though this isn't exactly the best way to ensure maximum leverage in a deal, they'll probably still get a haul for him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I think we're all forgetting that there's no way in hell the Ravens are going to trade Brown to KC anyway.
We're literally the team they hate most in the world.
I don't know that there'd be no way. It all depends on the offers. They might take a slightly worse offer from an NFC team but at the end of the day, if the Chiefs are offering the best package, they're going to deal with them.
Now it's arguable that the Chiefs could ever offer the best package and still have the cost be reasonable - the Vikings and Bears for example will have far more valuable picks than us next year in all likelihood. [Reply]
If Brown makes the pro bowl at left tackle, they get a second next year
He makes the pro bowl and we win the Super Bowl, they get next years first.
The nice thing is he wants to sign an extension as part of a trade, so it wouldn’t be a trade and then have to try to outbid everyone in FA like Trent Williams in SF was.
Originally Posted by Marco Polo:
Am I wrong for thinking that is too high of a price? I don't want to get in a habit of trading our 1st. I'm more open to a 2nd.
This is a 24 year old that has made the pro bowl playing right tackle.
He also made his second pro bowl as a left tackle for 2/3 of last season.
If we trade for him, I won’t be mad at all.
In my humble opinion, he’s easily worth more than Frank Clark was. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
This is a 24 year old that has made the pro bowl playing right tackle.
He also made his second pro bowl as a left tackle for 2/3 of last season.
If we trade for him, I won’t be mad at all.
In my humble opinion, he’s easily worth more than Frank Clark was.
Hard to disagree with this actually.
The more I think about it, the more I think Brown is the best option. Then again, the Ravens would have to be open to the idea and I doubt they are.
I like the conditional pick construct you put together, it at least gives the Ravens something to think about. Of course, to get the most return, they'd have to get beat in the playoffs. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Orlando Brown would also require a massive extension before any trade is finalized. Need to factor that in.
that’s a good thing.
Getting a stud LT under a 5 year extension (6 years total) before the new tv deals kick in would be a great move.
1) for an extension, his cap hit the next 2 years would be dirt cheap.
2) the cap is about to explode.
3) by his third year, similar players will be making north of 30m per year.
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Hard to disagree with this actually.
The more I think about it, the more I think Brown is the best option. Then again, the Ravens would have to be open to the idea and I doubt they are.
I like the conditional pick construct you put together, it at least gives the Ravens something to think about. Of course, to get the most return, they'd have to get beat in the playoffs. :-)
I think that kind of structure would easily benefit both sides.
That’s probably a deal Baltimore couldn’t refuse. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Or to look at it a different way, Orlando Brown Jr. is 1 year and 10 months older than Teven Jenkins and has started FORTY TWO NFL games.
His age + his experience can't be understated. He's really young for having started almost 2.5 NFL seasons.
This is a good point but I don't see Baltimore helping us out. I think at the end of the day Jacksonville ponies up for him. Either their 2nd first round pick or maybe they can get him for #33. They need a LT, have the cap room for him and won't (shouldn't) let Cam Robinson stop them from grabbing a someone to protect Lawrence. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
that’s a good thing.
Getting a stud LT under a 5 year extension (6 years total) before the new tv deals kick in would be a great move.
1) for an extension, his cap hit the next 2 years would be dirt cheap.
2) the cap is about to explode.
3) by his third year, similar players will be making north of 30m per year.
You're probably right.
Originally Posted by BossChief:
I think that kind of structure would easily benefit both sides.
That’s probably a deal Baltimore couldn’t refuse.
Not really. Baltimore actually gets a worse deal if they beat us in the playoffs, preventing us from getting to the Super Bowl. Albeit minor, it's a conflict of interest. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!:
I’m still thinking we re sign Schwartz. He’s even said the plan is to never leave KC. KC is his forever home. If he’s healthy enough I’d re sign him
I remember coaching staff saying Schwartz was so good that he could play LT so it's a possibility. [Reply]
do you all not know the game being played behind the scenes?
fisher and maybe schwartz will re-sign. there is a gentlemen's agreement between the club and players that if healthy will be able to rejoin the team and reclaim or mentor/substitute :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by royr17:
I remember coaching staff saying Schwartz was so good that he could play LT so it's a possibility.
That must have been a few years ago. Maybe he's been dealing with back trouble the last couple years but his play has dipped dramatically. Bring Fisher back when healthy....move on from Schwartz [Reply]
