Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!:
Why can’t we pay both? Lock up your stars and have league minimum for rest
“Stars and Scraps” is the term Duncan used. They may go that route, but injuries/aging vets have been issues for other teams in comparable situations. But if Veach and Patrick keep doing their thing, we could potentially avoid the same issues other rosters ran into.
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
Also, based on the bits a pieces I picked up on the radio, which absolutely could be wrong:
1. It’s and extension so his approx base salaries for this year and next don’t change from the $2.8m and $28m they were yesterday;
2. He’s due a $45m roster bonus is 6 years
3. He’s getting $140m guaranteed (this may be wrong as I think it was an injury guarantee but until I hear differently I’m going with it)
That means once the extension kicks in he’ll be counting $14m per year in bonus money and $310m minus $45m in base salary
That comes out to an average cap hit until 2026 of $265m divided by 10 plus $14m in pro-rated bonus or around $40.5m per year and maybe less depending on what the out years look like.
For the next few years we have him (cap-wise) for a bargain.
Damn did I have that wrong (and it’s even better than I thought):
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
Also, based on the bits a pieces I picked up on the radio, which absolutely could be wrong:
1. It’s and extension so his approx base salaries for this year and next don’t change from the $2.8m and $28m they were yesterday;
2. He’s due a $45m roster bonus is 6 years
3. He’s getting $140m guaranteed (this may be wrong as I think it was an injury guarantee but until I hear differently I’m going with it)
That means once the extension kicks in he’ll be counting $14m per year in bonus money and $310m minus $45m in base salary
That comes out to an average cap hit until 2026 of $265m divided by 10 plus $14m in pro-rated bonus or around $40.5m per year and maybe less depending on what the out years look like.
For the next few years we have him (cap-wise) for a bargain.
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
If Jones has any sense, he would want to stay here and win multiple championships.
True, but he does play DT. We’ve seen those guys fall apart overnight. He needs to get his money while he can. He isn’t near as marketable as a QB either.
I don’t fault him for wanting the money above all else right now. That’s how most of us are with our jobs.
Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
True, but he does play DT. We’ve seen those guys fall apart overnight. He needs to get his money while he can. He isn’t near as marketable as a QB either.
I don’t fault him for wanting the money above all else right now. That’s how most of us are with our jobs.
Throw in some incentives that would not be seen as "likely" so you can get around them (All-Pro? MVP? 15+ sacks?) and sweeten the pot a little bit. Maybe something like each year he gets 15+ sacks he gets $1.5 million (like Pat's MVP/AFC Title incentives).
That gets your cap hit this year down to $10M (saving $6 million). Gets the Chiefs to about $14M in cap room.
Option 1 (Boring): Roll that cap space over to next year to make up for the 2021 salary cap dip
Option 2 (Aggressive):
Add Jadaveon Clowney on a 1-year, $10-12M deal.
Win Super Bowl. Clowney hits FA again at age 28 coming off a SB win and likely a huge year.
Get comp pick when he signs the huge deal he wants.
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Clowney has offers on the table from Cleveland, LV and Tennessee, he's holding out because he doesn't want to play for shitty teams.
He’ll play for a shitty team if they overpay for him.
Again it just seems like this was a curveball from Veach. The whole “the Chiefs and Chris Jones aren’t talking” from the media is pretty stupid. No shit they aren’t talking, bc Veach was working on the Mahomes contract.
The “Chiefs never viewed Jones as a $20 million asset” seems odd to me. Not sure why that was reported.
Actions definitely speak louder than words here and Mahomes electing to free money up for the Chiefs the next 4 years says everything about Veach’s plan.
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Clowney has offers on the table from Cleveland, LV and Tennessee, he's holding out because he doesn't want to play for shitty teams.
Yeah, he's looking for the big deal... or MAYBE the short deal that improves his market in 2021.
With KC, Clowney would be able to:
1) Play DE, which maximizes his ability
2) Play on an already stacked DL, with two other pass-rushing terrors to draw attention away from him (seriously, he would face single blockers a LOT)
3) Play for a DC who is creative and will move him around to create easier pass rush opportunities where needed
4) Play for a team that is going to put up a lot of points on offense, forcing opponents to throw the ball a lot, creating pass rush opportunities
I don't know that the huge, multi-year deal Clowney wants is out there for him. If it was, I think it would have materialized by now and he would have taken it.
