Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Monticore:
there is a different between a smart bet and a dumb one is all I am saying.
Sorry but you're a touch off base here. This isn't buying a put to hedge your stock purchase. This is taking measures that directly prevent the spread of the virus while your overall strategy is to spread the virus.
It's like Tyreek Hill saying, well I could have reached out and caught the ball easy but I might have taken a hard hit to the ribs so I didn't.
Sometimes you either do things or don't do things. If you want to hedge your bet in this case you end up where they apparently are ending up. With less than good returns and far from what they expected. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Sorry but you're a touch off base here. This isn't buying a put to hedge your stock purchase. This is taking measures that directly prevent the spread of the virus while your overall strategy is to spread the virus.
It's like Tyreek Hill saying, well I could have reached out and caught the ball easy but I might have taken a hard hit to the ribs so I didn't.
Sometimes you either do things or don't do things. If you want to hedge your bet in this case you end up where they apparently are ending up. With less than good returns and far from what they expected.
Eh, I don't really agree with that. Doing some very rough match with their figures so far, the "rip the bandaid off" approach could have caused 10x as many deaths as they have, which are already very high. To use your analogy, it's more like Tyreek deciding not to catch the ball because he noticed a guy standing there with a shotgun pointed at his face. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Eh, I don't really agree with that. Doing some very rough match with their figures so far, the "rip the bandaid off" approach could have caused 10x as many deaths as they have, which are already very high. To use your analogy, it's more like Tyreek deciding not to catch the ball because he noticed a guy standing there with a shotgun pointed at his face.
Then don't do it. You just posted an article and said this didn't work out for Sweden liked they thought. I pointed out why. The rest is all jibber-jabber. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Then don't do it. You just posted an article and said this didn't work out for Sweden liked they thought. I pointed out why. The rest is all jibber-jabber.
It's easy to be critical with an additional two months worth of data. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Sorry but you're a touch off base here. This isn't buying a put to hedge your stock purchase. This is taking measures that directly prevent the spread of the virus while your overall strategy is to spread the virus.
It's like Tyreek Hill saying, well I could have reached out and caught the ball easy but I might have taken a hard hit to the ribs so I didn't.
Sometimes you either do things or don't do things. If you want to hedge your bet in this case you end up where they apparently are ending up. With less than good returns and far from what they expected.
You probably would put money on the chiefs not making the playoffs , which is where the smart money wouldn't be. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Looks like the CDC has decided that surfaces are a relatively low-risk means of transmission. (Person-to-person transmission through air droplets is the primary.)
Not terribly surprising, but it suggests that you probably don't need to worry TOO much about things like doorknobs, buttons in elevators, keypads in retailers, etc.
I've been through more than a gallon Clorox Cleaner w/Bleach since the first week of March because the CDC recommended that everything be sterilized, including any items brought into the home such as groceries, mail, Amazon packages, etc. As of now, it's impossible to find disinfecting wipes and cleaning supplies because of the CDC recommendations and hoarders.
The toilet paper scare was ridiculous as well. Costco has had toilet paper and napkins in stock for the past 10 days, so I grabbed one each of my last two visits and probably have enough in my garage to last a full year. In reality, one Costco 30 pack of TP has lasted us months, so I really had no reason to be concerned, nor did I need to order Charmin on Amazon back in early April.
The WHO and CDC have made many mistakes in the past few months, which is okay since this is the real viral threat the world has faced in the past 100 years, but I hope they've learned from this so that the next time we're challenged by a highly contagious coronavirus, they don't send the public into a hoarding frenzy. [Reply]
In totally predictable news, a week after neighboring states open for business and get flooded with Chicagoans, Pritzker announces restaurants with outdoor seating can reopen at the end of the month. I appreciate the legislative pivot.
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Illinois restaurants will be allowed to open for outdoor seating in phase three of the state's reopening plan, Gov. J.B. Pritzker announced Wednesday.
The move is a shift from the state's original guidelines, though restaurants still cannot reopen for dine-in service until phase four.
"After listening to and working with restaurant industry representatives together with our epidemiologists, today, I’m announcing an additional option for bars and restaurants interested in resuming operations earlier: opening for outdoor seating when phase three begins, likely for everyone just nine days from now," Pritzker said during his daily coronavirus press briefing.
