Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Thought exercise:
We all would be fine with Rashawn Slater at LT and think the Chiefs would have taken him in a heartbeat if given the opportunity, right?
Well, Jordan Morgan measures very similarly to Slater and the whole "arm length" thing we've talked about ad nauseum is a factor with Morgan... well, Slater's arms are a whopping 1/8" longer than Morgan's.
I'm perfectly fine with Morgan as a LT prospect at this point. He's got experience, he's a good athlete, his technique is solid, and he's ready to go.
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
Is he in consideration at 32?
I'd argue he should be.
Maybe his length isn't ideal, especially for the Chiefs. But man, he's a smooth, experienced, good pass protector with good athleticism and strength.
Maybe he isn't the LT you love long-term. But shoot, you can throw him into the mix with the expectation that he can smoothly transition to guard in 2025 if LT isn't a long-term home.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I'd argue he should be.
Maybe his length isn't ideal, especially for the Chiefs. But man, he's a smooth, experienced, good pass protector with good athleticism and strength.
Maybe he isn't the LT you love long-term. But shoot, you can throw him into the mix with the expectation that he can smoothly transition to guard in 2025 if LT isn't a long-term home.
It makes a lot of sense to me.
This is kind of where I was leaning. If we cant trade up I think taking a shot on a tackle is a good idea. And its unlikely you get everything you want in one at 32. He seems like a solid bet. I'm starting to think that if there's a guy with LT upside at all he's worth a shot in the King Felix mold. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I'd argue he should be.
Maybe his length isn't ideal, especially for the Chiefs. But man, he's a smooth, experienced, good pass protector with good athleticism and strength.
Maybe he isn't the LT you love long-term. But shoot, you can throw him into the mix with the expectation that he can smoothly transition to guard in 2025 if LT isn't a long-term home.
It makes a lot of sense to me.
Yes, exactly he is really low risk. He can start just about anywhere on the line. Lots of mocks have him going ahead of us, but if he is there at 32, I think he is a solid pick. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I'd argue he should be.
Maybe his length isn't ideal, especially for the Chiefs. But man, he's a smooth, experienced, good pass protector with good athleticism and strength.
Maybe he isn't the LT you love long-term. But shoot, you can throw him into the mix with the expectation that he can smoothly transition to guard in 2025 if LT isn't a long-term home.
It makes a lot of sense to me.
Morgan could be an elite guard if he doesn’t work out at LT? Is he strong enough? He obviously has the athleticism. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
Morgan could be an elite guard if he doesn’t work out at LT? Is he strong enough? He obviously has the athleticism.
As someone else pointed out, his arms are only 1/8 inch shorter than Rashawn Slater and I think we would have no problem sticking him at LT.
Our line depth is so pitiful, I wouldn't mind them taking a couple in this draft. Take Morgan early and someone like Paul, Fisher or the Yale kid later. Move up in the second to get a WR you like.
Put Morgan at LT this year and let the developmental tackles battle it out with Morris as a swing or future LT then move Morgan to LG to replace Thuney.
Morgan is going to be better than anything we have had since Fisher over there. He might not be all pro, but he will be enough to let Patrick be Patrick. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Thought exercise:
We all would be fine with Rashawn Slater at LT and think the Chiefs would have taken him in a heartbeat if given the opportunity, right?
Well, Jordan Morgan measures very similarly to Slater and the whole "arm length" thing we've talked about ad nauseum is a factor with Morgan... well, Slater's arms are a whopping 1/8" longer than Morgan's.
I'm perfectly fine with Morgan as a LT prospect at this point. He's got experience, he's a good athlete, his technique is solid, and he's ready to go.
I have no issue with it. The problem is that we don't know how the Chiefs feel about it, because based on history, it's an issue. [Reply]
Because of the fact it’s almost May, we are trying for a 3 peat and don’t SEEM to have an answer to one of the most important positions being LT.
Chiefs are obviously looking for a day 1 starter, and not just any starter will do. They can’t look for one for $20+million a season, so it has to be a draft pick.
I wonder if Veach has a deal in play for Titans pick? [Reply]
Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58:
I really think chiefs are trading up for Alt
Because of the fact it’s almost May, we are trying for a 3 peat and don’t SEEM to have an answer to one of the most important positions being LT.
Chiefs are obviously looking for a day 1 starter, and not just any starter will do. They can’t look for one for $20+million a season, so it has to be a draft pick.
I wonder if Veach has a deal in play for Titans pick?
That would require such a haul of picks that it would get into the realm of potentially detrimental...
I mean, we're talking something along the lines of our 1, 2, 3, and 2025 1 and 2. It's just not a remote possibility.
Hell, even if we were to go to 10, I can't fathom it being less than our 1, 2 and 2025 1st and 3rd. Sure, I could live with that but man that's a lot to give up for 1 guy. You better be sure and he better not get injured. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
That would require such a haul of picks that it would get into the realm of potentially detrimental...
I mean, we're talking something along the lines of our 1, 2, 3, and 2025 1 and 2. It's just not a remote possibility.
Hell, even if we were to go to 10, I can't fathom it being less than our 1, 2 and 2025 1st and 3rd. Sure, I could live with that but man that's a lot to give up for 1 guy. You better be sure and he better not get injured.
Setting aside for a moment the 'Draft Pick Value' cost - what team that sucked hard enough in 2023 wants to move down to 32? And at the benefit of also being at the back of the 1st next year in all probability?
In a vacuum it's exceptionally difficult. In reality its just not happening. Teams that suck that hard cannot turn to their fanbase and say "hey, fell out of the blue chips and really out of the 1st round talents altogether, but we can get 3 of those guys for the price of 1 blue chipper!"
This isn't Madden - these teams have fans to answer to. They simply will not do it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Setting aside for a moment the 'Draft Pick Value' cost - what team that sucked hard enough in 2023 wants to move down to 32? And at the benefit of also being at the back of the 1st next year in all probability?
In a vacuum it's exceptionally difficult. In reality its just not happening. Teams that suck that hard cannot turn to their fanbase and say "hey, fell out of the blue chips and really out of the 1st round talents altogether, but we can get 3 of those guys for the price of 1 blue chipper!"
This isn't Madden - these teams have fans to answer to. They simply will not do it.
The only possible partner might be the Bears at 9, but Alt would also have to slip that far which isn't likely. However if he did, the Bears only have 4 total picks this year so moving back to 32, plus a combination of mid round picks and next year's first might get them to move. [Reply]
Originally Posted by VAChief:
The only possible partner might be the Bears at 9, but Alt would also have to slip that far which isn't likely. However if he did, the Bears only have 4 total picks this year so moving back to 32, plus a combination of mid round picks and next year's first might get them to move.
I mean maybe you could give up the 2024 1 and 3 plus your 1 and 2 next year to get to 9 and then 9 plus this year's 2 to get to 6?
That's the only way I can see it being remotely doable.
So we've given up our first and second this year and next, plus this year's 3rd.
For Alt?
Fuck all the way off on that. No non-QB is worth that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
If Alt's last name was "Thomas" would we be seeing as much fanfare/desperation to go get him from Chiefs fans? Methinks no.
I don't think he would get the national consensus number one with out that last name. He's good across the board but if he never made a pro bowl (Wich he will with the name recognition) I would not be completely shocked. [Reply]