We sleep on Denver because their organization is hot garbage. The QB position is only ONE of their many issues. Their defense is aging. Their O-Line is still questionable. Their coaches are awful. The front office and scouting personnel are a mess. Their owner situation is a cluster****, which IMO contributes to a lot of the dysfunction on their football team.
They need a LOT more than Watson to turn that dumpster fire around. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
We sleep on Denver because their organization is hot garbage. The QB position is only ONE of their many issues. Their coaches are awful. The front office and scouting personnel are a mess. Their owner situation is a cluster****, which IMO contributes to a lot of the dysfunction on their football team.
They need a LOT more than Watson to turn that dumpster fire around.
Guys, we have Mahomes.
He, with elite offensive weapons, was one possession away from dragging the league's worst defense to the Super Bowl in 2018.
With an elite QB, which Watson definitely is, the Broncos don't have to make expert moves. That team is largely built to go to the AFCCG with Watson. It needs upgrades across the defense but if Elway gets lucky for one offseason, you never know. It's literally happened before in Denver, less than a decade ago. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
All great points.
But what does Denver have?
Good (not great) OL protection, great weapons outside, great weapons in the backfield, and assuming Von Miller doesn't end up in prison, two dynamic passrushing ends.
What exactly does this team with Watson need? Some more help in the back seven, but you don't need to flush that with premium picks if you're decent at your job.
If you gave me Denver's roster now with Deshaun Watson, they push the Bills for the 2 seed this past season. They may have actually won it outright.
We just sleep on how good that Denver roster is because their QB situation is hot garbage.
Originally Posted by Sofa King:
Heading to NFC soon I hope. Hopefully to WFT so he can dominate that division and they'll stop talking about the goddamn Cowboys every year.
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
Guys, we have Mahomes.
You could have just stopped right there.
You're right, WE have Mahomes. Denver doesn't. Watson is NOT Mahomes.
Watson alone is not taking Denver from a 5 win team to a team that wins 12 or 13 games and finishes as the second best team in the AFC next to KC.
Again, the Texans were AWFUL this year. And that was WITH Watson playing elite most of the year (check his final numbers for the season). If he couldn't help the dysfunctional Texans win more than 4 games this year, how is he taking 5 win Denver (who is almost just as dysfunctional) to 'elite' status immediately??
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
You could have just stopped right there.
You're right, WE have Mahomes. Denver doesn't. Watson is NOT Mahomes.
Watson alone is not taking Denver from a 5 win team to a team that wins 12 or 13 games and finishes as the second best team in the AFC next to KC.
Again, the Texans were AWFUL this year. And that was WITH Watson playing elite most of the year (check his final numbers for the season). If he couldn't help the dysfunctional Texans win more than 4 games this year, how is he taking 5 win Denver to 'elite' status immediately??
The answer is simple.
He's not.
The Texans' boat was broken, though. That ship was taking on water with BOB and Romeo Crennel, that was not some league-average situation.
The Broncos are probably a league-average situation dragged down by garbage quarterbacking.
If you put Watson on the 2020 Broncos, that team probably does go to the playoffs and pushes the Bills. I'd put them on par with the Ravens.
That means I probably take the 2020 Chiefs over them 9 times out of 10, because we are that good. But that's still a damn good team that isn't too far away from AFCCG level talent.
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
It has literally happened before, just a few years ago.
Getting postseason success by ensnaring an elite QB in trade or free agency isn't exactly reinventing the wheel.
I know we all hate Denver but good lord. When did this place turn into the Arrowhead Pride comment section.
Your comments and attitude are pretty silly. Houston had a badass defense, DHop, Fuller, etc....for several years and didn't win shit. You weren't freaking out then about Houston.
Watson is alright but he ain't saving Denver. Hell I wish Denver would become more of a challenge. [Reply]
I hope he goes to the Raiders or Broncos and if not then I hope he goes to a contender. That's the only way that some of you will realize that he's not as good as you think he is.
Last years Texans team was a good team and Watson showed just what kind of choke artist he is. B.O.B gets all the blame, but Watson is the reason they couldn't beat us after being up by 24. I want him to go somewhere that no one can make any excuses for him. [Reply]
