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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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suzzer99 02:38 PM 07-31-2020
Maybe so. We'll see how it plays out when a vaccine comes out. This is all new territory for sure.

The fundamental problem as I see it is that is this: I have a feeling we're going to find out in places that send kids back to school in about a month - that schools are instant super-spreader events - with the ability to plow into virgin segments of the population that otherwise wouldn't be exposed. IE - 1 or 2 parents work from home, take precautions, etc. I know so many people that fit this description who are very nervous about what's going to happen with their kids' school.
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Donger 03:03 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
I know Donger will do as commanded. Who else?
Well, if that becomes a suggestion, at least all you'll have have to do is strap yourself on.
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loochy 03:06 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Maybe so. We'll see how it plays out when a vaccine comes out. This is all new territory for sure.

The fundamental problem as I see it is that is this: I have a feeling we're going to find out in places that send kids back to school in about a month - that schools are instant super-spreader events - with the ability to plow into virgin segments of the population that otherwise wouldn't be exposed. IE - 1 or 2 parents work from home, take precautions, etc. I know so many people that fit this description who are very nervous about what's going to happen with their kids' school.
My kid went to preschool since this whole thing started without any super spreading...
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suzzer99 03:11 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by loochy:
My kid went to preschool since this whole thing started without any super spreading...
That's good to hear. What kind of policies do they have in place for covid?

What worries me is stuff like the summer camp thing I posted, and just knowing that kids in general are giant germ factories who slobber all over each other all day. It seems like if schools aren't going to be big problems - it's really going to take some re-engineering of the typical school day and/or something magical about covid that keeps kids from spreading it like they do other viruses.

There's been a study posted that little kids are half as susceptible to catching covid as adults - which is great, but half is still a lot. Teenagers seem to be pretty much the same as adults as far as catching and spreading it. And they're mostly asymptomatic - which is even worse for spread since the don't know they have it.

Look at sports locker rooms - kinda like schools they've long been known as super-spreader places. Traditionally, when something gets into a locker room, everyone gets it. MLB seems to think it will be different this time for some reason. But it's looking like no locker rooms are still super-spreaders once it gets in there. They should just lock up the locker rooms imo, and have the players sit in the stands instead of the dugout. Business as usual w/o a bubble doesn't seem like it's going to work.

When I was a kid in KC public schools we'd have half the day outside sometimes when it was nice. It really seems like they should think about moving outside whenever possible, until the weather turns.
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suzzer99 04:09 PM 07-31-2020

As I've said before, we’ve decided that bars and high schools are too dangerous to reopen right now, but colleges—which are just bars mixed with high schools—will be fine to.

It seems like an obvious, guaranteed way to start a third wave. https://t.co/PdSalBLjTt

— Matt O'Brien (@ObsoleteDogma) July 31, 2020


Lol best description of college I've heard.
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lewdog 04:15 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
That doesn't serve the agenda, so no.
Have you slit your wrists yet?

I mean, your self loathing on this board started years ago.
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O.city 04:17 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Have you slit your wrists yet?

I mean, your self loathing on this board started years ago.
How’s your coworker doing? Meant to ask yesterday
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Bob Dole 04:17 PM 07-31-2020
I see we’ve still got our hair on fire over positive tests rather than, oh I don’t know...mortality?
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suzzer99 04:21 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
I see we’ve still got our hair on fire over positive tests rather than, oh I don’t know...mortality?
You may need to update your talking points. At a national level your buddies have moved back to crowing about cases, since those are cresting while deaths are still rising.
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suzzer99 04:22 PM 07-31-2020
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...ovid-protocols

If anyone's curious about the actual protocols MLB teams are supposed to be following, this is really interesting. Sounds like they have a lot of good ideas about limiting contact - especially indoors. Whether it's enough, or if teams actually follow it remains to be seen. The Marlins didn't.
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lewdog 04:26 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
How’s your coworker doing? Meant to ask yesterday
The good news is he's made enough progress to avoid the ventilator for now. He called me yesterday and it was pretty emotional talking to him. He's 3 weeks in the hospital and is showing some improvement in pulmonary function and has rebounded the past 3 days. Doctors are saying if they can get someone out to 14 days of treatment in the hospital, without using a ventilator, they are seeing many patients able to rebound around the 2 week mark. Many of the older or sicker patients can't make it that long fighting though. The doctor says he's lucky he was in such good shape to be able to fight this that long and they are also thinking the COVID plasma helped him too. Long term pulmonary damage is still very likely for him, but this being so new, it's hard to understand if the body can repair that tissue over time. The other concerns they are seeing is this migrating into other organs weeks later, causing other problems and eventually organ failure. Many of the severe cases who end up living are in the 44-60 year age range.

He's likely another week in the hospital and then probably a few weeks of rehab. He's a PTA so he started supine exercises himself in the bed this week.

Thank you for asking.
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O.city 04:49 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
The good news is he's made enough progress to avoid the ventilator for now. He called me yesterday and it was pretty emotional talking to him. He's 3 weeks in the hospital and is showing some improvement in pulmonary function and has rebounded the past 3 days. Doctors are saying if they can get someone out to 14 days of treatment in the hospital, without using a ventilator, they are seeing many patients able to rebound around the 2 week mark. Many of the older or sicker patients can't make it that long fighting though. The doctor says he's lucky he was in such good shape to be able to fight this that long and they are also thinking the COVID plasma helped him too. Long term pulmonary damage is still very likely for him, but this being so new, it's hard to understand if the body can repair that tissue over time. The other concerns they are seeing is this migrating into other organs weeks later, causing other problems and eventually organ failure. Many of the severe cases who end up living are in the 44-60 year age range.

He's likely another week in the hospital and then probably a few weeks of rehab. He's a PTA so he started supine exercises himself in the bed this week.

Thank you for asking.
Good to hear man, good news. Hopefully he kicks it
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lewdog 05:00 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...ovid-protocols

If anyone's curious about the actual protocols MLB teams are supposed to be following, this is really interesting. Sounds like they have a lot of good ideas about limiting contact - especially indoors. Whether it's enough, or if teams actually follow it remains to be seen. The Marlins didn't.
I think their procedures are about as good as can be expected. You need almost 100% buy in from players and staff and I think that's what makes this challenging.

Also, anyone notice the players who are wearing masks are mostly only covering their mouths? Yeah, you might as well just not wear one then. Personally on the field, I don't think anyone really needs to be wearing them in baseball.
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Chief Pagan 05:03 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:

It’s simple science. Make the vaccine mandatory for nursing home admittance or even more controversially to draw Medicare. Then when you have several years of research to prove that the NNH is somehow even smaller than the current minuscule risk in children you can have them start taking a vaccine if it is the only way to reach a herd immunity. You don’t just start with mandatory vaccinations in school because that’s the only way you know how it’s been done before. It just doesn’t make since with what we know about the virus.
If the vaccine was nearly 100% effective teachers could get it and be protected and parents could choose whether to give it to their kids but their kids could still attend school.

But if it's only partially effective, which seems likely at this point, it's hard to see allowing unvaccinated kids into schools.

Lots of angry parents in the future for sure.

If the vaccine is only partially effective, I would be in favor of making it a requirement for air travel.
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TLO 05:34 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
If the vaccine was nearly 100% effective teachers could get it and be protected and parents could choose whether to give it to their kids but their kids could still attend school.

But if it's only partially effective, which seems likely at this point, it's hard to see allowing unvaccinated kids into schools.

Lots of angry parents in the future for sure.

If the vaccine is only partially effective, I would be in favor of making it a requirement for air travel.
The idea that the vaccine is going to be 100% effective is a pipe dream. I hope they hit 75%- 80% effective with this first batch.

I'm excited about the prospects of a vaccine but would prefer we have some sort of breakthrough with therapeutics sooner rather than later. "Oh you got covid? Here's your prescription to be filled at the pharmacy."
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