Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by limested:
Being able to go back to the gym made life feel for more normal than anything else so far.
I can’t wait to get back there, but yesterday I flew on a crowded plane from Ohio to Florida and then went to a Mexican restaurant with on the way home. First time in 10 weeks that I’ve eaten out, which just made tacos taste that much better. [Reply]
Seriously though, it would be an interesting experiment to know how effective a spreader a foolish person like a hair stylist who works when sick actually is.
It won't be a perfect measure of course, because you have the people getting the haircut who were certainly exposed, but if they're children or both were masked may not have developed an infection. And beyond those people, you have everyone else who was around - maybe junior was getting the haircut, but mom and little sister were there too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
Seriously though, it would be an interesting experiment to know how effective a spreader a foolish person like a hair stylist who works when sick actually is.
It won't be a perfect measure of course, because you have the people getting the haircut who were certainly exposed, but if they're children or both were masked may not have developed an infection. And beyond those people, you have everyone else who was around - maybe junior was getting the haircut, but mom and little sister were there too.
There's also a lot of variability in how infectious a person is, so no matter what happens, nothing will be definitive. But if she got either zero people (or close to it) or a shit ton of people sick, that would be at least a directional data point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
There's also a lot of variability in how infectious a person is, so no matter what happens, nothing will be definitive. But if she got either zero people (or close to it) or a shit ton of people sick, that would be at least a directional data point.
Yeah, you see events like that birthday party or the choir practice that ended w/ 3/4 of the choir sick and there is clearly some variable that makes certain people spread it a ton.
I do wonder, is that how this lady was caught? Kind of like how credit card companies identify skimmer issues by looking at transaction history of stolen cards. Suppose it's possible she just changed her mind and felt bad and self reported. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
There's also a lot of variability in how infectious a person is, so no matter what happens, nothing will be definitive. But if she got either zero people (or close to it) or a shit ton of people sick, that would be at least a directional data point.
Yeah, I did read one account back in March or so that was anecdotal, but it was from a physician speculating that the sickest patients were not the ones who'd brought the virus home, but those who had picked it up from someone else in their household. The idea being that when you pick it up from an elevator button or whatever you might not get such a heavy exposure, but when someone living in your house spends a week or two manufacturing a ton of virus and spreading it heavily all over your environment, you end up with a big viral load. [Reply]
Spain says the La Liga can start backup on June 8th, and they are also open to foreign tourism starting in July. Are they one of the firsts to open back up for tourism? Seems like they are. If anyone had a trip planned to Spain after July your chances definitely just got better.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
There's also a lot of variability in how infectious a person is, so no matter what happens, nothing will be definitive. But if she got either zero people (or close to it) or a shit ton of people sick, that would be at least a directional data point.
I know one thing is my hair chick talks a lot . [Reply]
Boy is back from the doctor. Still has strep. I don't think the first round of meds knocked it all out so they put him on something else but no fever. [Reply]
A hair stylist in Springfield, Missouri, exposed as many as 91 people to coronavirus after working at a salon for 8 days while symptomatic, health officials say. https://t.co/7cKpTd4XyM
I’m curious as to what made her symptomatic. I have been quarantining this week because I had a 99.9 degree temperature so as a pure precaution I’ve stayed in the house. According to the CDC this isn’t really required unless I’m running a 100.4, but obviously in these times extra caution isn’t a terrible thing. I’m just curious as to why they aren’t making her symptoms known. I’d be much quicker to berate her if she knew she had a fever and sore throat, but if it’s just a runny nose or something that goes away with some allergy medicine it’s harder to blame her for working through it in that line of work.
Just seems strange to say she’s symptomatic but not to include in the article what the symptoms were. You would think they’d want to make that more known so that people reading it can take more precautions if they’re showing similar symptoms. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
"The individual and their clients were wearing face coverings. The 84 clients potentially directly exposed will be notified by the Health Department and be offered testing, as will seven coworkers," the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said in a statement. "It is the hope of the department that because face coverings were worn throughout this exposure timeline, no additional cases will result."
Goddard did not provide details on the identity or the condition of the stylist. He said health officials have reached out to the people who were exposed, adding that the hairstylist had kept impeccable records that made contact tracing possible.
But he cautioned about the risks of overwhelming resources.
"I'm gong to be honest with you: We can't have many more of these," he said at a news conference. "We can't make this a regular habit or our capabilities as a community will be strained."
So if 4 people end up sick some will declare masks don’t help without being able to process that many more would have been infected with no masks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Boy is back from the doctor. Still has strep. I don't think the first round of meds knocked it all out so they put him on something else but no fever.
A hair stylist in Springfield, Missouri, exposed as many as 91 people to coronavirus after working at a salon for 8 days while symptomatic, health officials say. https://t.co/7cKpTd4XyM
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Can anyone confirm if this is Pete’s wife?
Do you not know how to read a map? I live in Kasnas, you dumb fuck. That's in an entirely different state than Missouri. And Olathe is about 4 hours from Springfield. So you suck at math and geography. [Reply]
