Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Okay so then we should just lock things down again? Are you wearing a mask at home? I mean, you might have it but your Wife and kids may not.
Sorry I get the entire asymptomatic thing but there comes a point that you either just say wear the mask for the rest of your days or like with anything else, if you show symptoms perhaps you should take precautions.
What you are essentially asking people to do is live in a perpetual state of fear. And as it has been demonstrated time and time again, wearing a mask can easily be ****ed up if you aren't very strict about it and we know most people aren't going to be.
To me the most common sense approach right now is if you have symptoms don't go out, period. If you need to go out then wear a mask and be diligent about it. Otherwise practice your 6 ft and hygiene.
If you're staying away from people, i.e. 6ft you're doing more to protect others than wearing a mask the data seems to show. And a casual stroll of seconds past someone in a grocery store isle isn't exposing you long enough one way or the other. We know this. The mask thing just seems to be kinda along the lines of cell phones on airplanes, I don't know.
The government is not asking you to leave in fear it is asking you to try and stop spreading the fucking virus so can go back to normal. [Reply]
Originally Posted by sedated:
Here's a simple question -
If it's known, or even probable, that wearing a mask prevents others from getting sick from germs you may have (asymptomatic), do the anti-maskers deny that having the vast majority of the population wear a mask would reduce the spread?
It can be known. It can be probable. It doesn't really matter. You can not control our population to the level needed. It's hard for me to believe how many people thought it was actually possible for any significant length of time.
Tell a hundred random Americans to do something. Use facts, figures, fear, or fucking crayons, I no not care. I'm going to sit over here and laugh at your dumb ass for expecting anything but ~15 to tell you to go fuck off with a rusty fork and another ~15 to walk around you and go on about their day and ~20 to fail at trying to do as you said for about 5 minutes before they move on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
How do you know? Do I think your mask helped? Not at all in that situation. Not at all. You were too close for too long for it to matter.
Do you you want things to potentially get better? If you are happy with the situation we are right then keep doing Pete things .
You can’t keep saying end the lockdown and then argue against something that could help end them sooner. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Do you you want things to potentially get better? If you are happy with the situation we are right then keep doing Pete things .
WTF kind of question is that? Get the fuck out with that shit. [Reply]
There was a podcast that I believe was posted in the early days of this thread about how the amount of virus that a person is exposed to initially can make a big difference on how severe their case is. So even in a situation where a mask doesn't necessarily prevent spread, it could have a major impact on the outcome. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
How do you know? Do I think your mask helped? Not at all in that situation. Not at all. You were too close for too long for it to matter.
Annnndddd... we are back to this:
Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
This isn't true though, a very small % of the population are at a substantially high risk from this. We know this from the number of known case+unknown cases compared to deaths.
From two weeks ago, addressed to you:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
In 2017-8, a bad year for the flu, 2/100,000 people aged 18-49 died of influenza.
In New York City, 16.53 people aged 18-44 per 100,000 have died of COVID-19 already.
You were wrong about this two months ago, you were wrong about this two weeks ago, you were wrong about this two hours ago, and you'll be wrong about it tomorrow.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
How do you know? Do I think your mask helped? Not at all in that situation. Not at all. You were too close for too long for it to matter.
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
From two weeks ago, addressed to you:
Keep being wrong.
Yea I addressed it 2 weeks ago, you are using 1 city which is a major outlier and using 100% incomplete data on flu numbers so you still didn't prove me wrong. [Reply]
