Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Currently nothing supports children transmitting this like adults and the high spreaders of this have symptoms and many kids aren’t getting those.
Problem with schools simply could be sheer volume in one space and the fact kids can’t follow social distancing guidelines.
Well it really looks likely that high school kids do transfer it like adults. That one study found kids under 10 half as infectious, which is better than fully, but still not great. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
I was just coming to post about it! This is great. The tests are only 88-94% effective but cheap and fast.
That really doesn’t matter
Shotgun approach this thing and don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Access and abundance of testing is more important than accuracy at this point if accuracy takes the time it does
Plus these tests are the most accurate when you’re the most infectious. Pcr is just looking for genetic material. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Well it really looks likely that high school kids do transfer it like adults. That one study found kids under 10 half as infectious, which is better than fully, but still not great.
True. Older “kids” do seem to transmit like adults. Hopefully they can follow guidelines better than little kids but I think the jury is out on how prepared most schools are for following guidelines. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Well it really looks likely that high school kids do transfer it like adults. That one study found kids under 10 half as infectious, which is better than fully, but still not great.
That one study has been shown that it didn’t really show what they thought. In the end, the results didn’t really show where they had gotten the virus. To their credit the times has done a good job with a recent follow up on it
97% of the cases were brought in by adults they found [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
That really doesn’t matter
Shotgun approach this thing and don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Access and abundance of testing is more important than accuracy at this point if accuracy takes the time it does
Plus these tests are the most accurate when you’re the most infectious. Pcr is just looking for genetic material.
If you can get tested at home without the need to visits doctors office or hospitals where you could spread it more people or the weak it would be nice, if they are cheap you can just do test twice .
We just need to make sure TLO does it get dehydrated from testing him self 1000 times a day. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
That one study has been shown that it didn’t really show what they thought. In the end, the results didn’t really show where they had gotten the virus. To their credit the times has done a good job with a recent follow up on it
97% of the cases were brought in by adults they found
Hard not counting HS age kids as adults physically some of then are . [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Currently nothing supports children transmitting this like adults and the high spreaders of this have symptoms and many kids aren’t getting those.
Problem with schools simply could be sheer volume in one space and the fact kids can’t follow social distancing guidelines.
I don't know, for me thinking logically if kids are the main spreaders of cold and flu why would this respiratory disease be any different.
I also look at that 300k kids have been infected by covid number and think there is no way they are just getting this all from adults.
But hell I don't know I am an idiot IT person. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I don't know, for me thinking logically if kids are the main spreaders of cold and flu why would this respiratory disease be any different.
I also look at that 300k kids have been infected by covid number and think there is no way they are just getting this all from adults.
But hell I don't know I am an idiot IT person. :-)
Maybe they feel like they are spreading 1 thing around but it could multiple different ones all going around , when it might not be as bad if you focused on one individual virus , But who knows we are still using social distancing, hand washing etc right now maybe that is helping. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
A lot we don’t know about kids but here’s my take so far.
Kids are NOT super spreaders of this like originally though. They can spread it but it’s no where correlated with the viral loads they’re showing (more RNA in kids but that doesn’t equate to spreading ability). Also kids are having less symptoms overall so they spread for a shorter duration than adults.
The next 2 months should tell us a ton about schools and kids spreading.
A large number of teachers are resigning with over 100 in Queen Creek/San Tan Valley alone, including the union president, forcing the entire district to not start on Monday because they don't have enough teachers to open with.
Saw a post from some QC moms arguing that we didn't close schools for Covid-18 so why do we need to with Covid-19. That's the mentality we are dealing with here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by eDave:
A large number of teachers are resigning with over 100 in Queen Creek/San Tan Valley alone, including the union president, forcing the entire district to not start on Monday because they don't have enough teachers to open with.
Saw a post from some QC moms arguing that we didn't close schools for Covid-18 so why do we need to with Covid-19. That's the mentality we are dealing with here.
Oh I definitely don’t blame teachers for not wanting to work, especially those of increasing age. Healthcare isn’t even getting enough PPE, I wouldn’t trust schools to have what they need to protect me. [Reply]
