Cardinals ****The Official 2019 STL Cardinals Thread**** - Page 45

Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Martinez and Reyes both physically have #1 starter skills. Where both are failing is mentally. Both need to grow the fuck up. Your not teenagers anymore. Be an adult for crissakes.

The minors are filled with guys that can throw 95 plus without any idea where it's going, and any idiot can piss away their talent.

I'm so tired of the hype machine surrounding these assholes. Miller was a jackass coming through the system too, and Wacha never had more than two pitches.

Until further notice, I don't believe in any prospect this system produces: whether it's a Taveras or Gorman.
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Martinez and Reyes both physically have #1 starter skills. Where both are failing is mentally. Both need to grow the **** up. Your not teenagers anymore. Be an adult for crissakes.

I don't think you can say Reyes is failing mentally. He's blown out his arm twice now. Since coming back after the 2nd blow out he's looked more like Tyler Chatwood than a top 10 prospect. He's failing physically.
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Originally Posted by jd1020:
I don't think you can say Reyes is failing mentally. He's blown out his arm twice now. Since coming back after the 2nd blow out he's looked more like Tyler Chatwood than a top 10 prospect. He's failing physically.

not sure where you are getting your information but the issue last year was not his arm. Right lat issue. That’s on the side of the body. AND he felt uncomfortable and a little pain in that area after a start. He didn’t tell anyone. And his next start, tears that tendon. That’s an immaturity issue. He tells someone he gets a little rest and doesnt miss the whole season.
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
not sure where you are getting your information but the issue last year was not his arm. Right lat issue. That’s on the side of the body. AND he felt uncomfortable and a little pain in that area after a start. He didn’t tell anyone. And his next start, tears that tendon. That’s an immaturity issue. He tells someone he gets a little rest and doesnt miss the whole season.

I haven't followed his injury and was still working under the assumption that his injury was shoulder related. However, the lat still plays an important roll in throwing a baseball.

https://www.mlb.com/news/lat-injurie...all-c230442514
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Miller, Martinez, Wacha, Reyes

All of them billed as studs, all of them disappointments.

This FO cannot evaluate its own players at all.

Pitching prospects are a crapshoot...and even more so in today's game. You don’t see guys last long as studs...it’s more rare than position players.

Miller was fools gold from the start compared to our other prospects and it has proven true after he left us.

The talent in the game has accelerated greatly in the past decade. The arms we have now on those 2004/2005 teams would have blown away teams in the postseason. Wacha isn’t worse than he was in 2013, it just isn’t novel anymore. Look at the daunted Mets staff of 2015.
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Well, they're still mostly winning, though. The 9th got a little hairy today, but they held on.
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Both Fowler and Ozuna has overcome a beginning slump and both are on a roll. So weird typing that with Fowler's name. He currently leads the team in on base percentage.
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I remember when my Pirates were in first place.

Fun times.
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Originally Posted by jd1020:
I don't think you can say Reyes is failing mentally. He's blown out his arm twice now. Since coming back after the 2nd blow out he's looked more like Tyler Chatwood than a top 10 prospect. He's failing physically.

You're a fucking retard.
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Originally Posted by Frazod:
Well, they're still mostly winning, though. The 9th got a little hairy today, but they held on.

2nd best record in the NL. 3rd best in all of MLB. And they haven’t even played their best baseball yet.
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
2nd best record in the NL. 3rd best in all of MLB. And they haven’t even played their best baseball yet.

I would say it is pretty close to their best, at least overall. Starting pitching has under performed expectations, but the offense is humming along better than predicted. Both Fowler and Ozuna are performing way above last year with Ozuna less of a surprise. Wong and DeJong have both surpassed their norms. Carpenter is really the only one that is below his norm.

Gant has been nails in the bullpen and Hicks has been more consistent, if still scary at times.

We have some areas that we can most likely improve, however there are areas that we could see regression as well.

All in all a pretty good place to be.
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Originally Posted by VAChief:
I would say it is pretty close to their best, at least overall. Starting pitching has under performed expectations, but the offense is humming along better than predicted. Both Fowler and Ozuna are performing way above last year with Ozuna less of a surprise. Wong and DeJong have both surpassed their norms. Carpenter is really the only one that is below his norm.

Gant has been nails in the bullpen and Hicks has been more consistent, if still scary at times.

We have some areas that we can most likely improve, however there are areas that we could see regression as well.

All in all a pretty good place to be.

besides Carp, yes this is the good version of this offense. I mainly thinking the starting pitching has been sub par and was expected to be a strength. That the bullpen has over performed from last year Gant etc but pieces like Miller still fuck things up.

I agree that’s it’s a good place to be. No one in here anyway, thought we’d have the 3rd best record in baseball at this point.
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Wacha fucking sucks
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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
Wacha ****ing sucks

He was all over the place. Airmailing pitches then skipping them in the dirt.
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This team is teetering between really good and a fucking meltdown.
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