Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
You see a strategic reserve of tennis shoes and windbreakers lying around?
That's not what he suggested.
It's the same principle.
Good luck convincing pharmaceutical companies making billions they have to change their business model.
Don't get me wrong I wish it could be done somehow but i don't see it happening especially after this when many Americans are going to be hurting money wise.
Def think we need to start to distancing ourselves from China though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
We have mortality rates for the flu and similar and it's the same thing.... we have no idea how many people are actually infected each year.
Yeah, there's educated guesswork involved, but hell... 3.3 million at 2% would be 1.65 million at 1% or 825,000 at .5%.
Is 825,000 deaths within a year okay?
If a business as usual caused 40% to get the disease in the same year, then I don't think there is anyway the death rate would be under 2% and I would guess far, far higher.
The current death rate is based on the sickest patients getting great ICU care for 3 weeks.
I'm waiting with horrified worry to see the death rate in India and other places that don't have very many ventilators or ICU capacity.
Even with their younger population it will be Grim unless the tropics are different. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Don't get caught up in the China-US Debt argument. That was largely debunked back when President Trump started with the tariffs. If they dumped all of our debt it would actually hurt them more than it would hurt us. But that's a discussion for elsewhere.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And the real problem is that you can't fault them for it.
They have 1.4 billion people - they'd be insane not to keep those drugs for themselves.
Or...I mean...we can do nothing and the next time something like this comes around we can blame the government for not being ready for it.
It's imperative that a lesson is learned from all this.
Remember when MAO ZEDONG, the chairman of the communist party of CHINA mass murdered a reported 18 to 45 million of his own people between 1958-1962. MAO'S GREAT LEAP FORWARD? [Reply]
Originally Posted by stumppy:
I could be wrong but I'd think doing something like that will have more to do with the big pharma companies than China.
Something needs to be done about it either way.
It's both. Our government has to provide incentives for them to have that stuff here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I think about the only thing that would have been hurt at the time would have been medicals. The Nazi's because they were well fucked up advanced medicine a ton, basically all anatomy books and such were done by them because well they would do things to people no one else would.
The Japanese too. If you ever want to not sleep for the next couple of nights, read up about Unit 731. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stevieray:
It's a greed problem.
That’s right it is , they want to sell them pills here they can make them here. It’s simple them greedy bastards would come to there milk quicker than a cat can lick its ass if you tell them manufacturing is going to take place right here. And don’t feed me it will drive up the cost cause it’s made here bull shit.that may be the case on some products but not the pharmaceutical business.To be honest I can’t believe the government lets that happen hell the sons of bitches can’t make dog food that is safe let alone trusting them to make are meds. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Funny thing is that the nation that would've REALLY been hit by a swift German victory is the United States.
The transfer of wealth from traditional European powers to the US because of WWI was staggering. It fast forwarded our ascent to superpower status by probably 50 years.
And it fundamentally altered our national consciousness from 125+ years of relative isolationism to our present status as de facto world police.
I get bored by studying WWII because it's a black and white conflict. It's democracy vs. authoritarianism and good vs. evil. There are clear white/black hats there and catastrophic outcomes of the bad guys had prevailed.
But man, WWI is so fascinating in so many ways because so many of the evils that impact us to this day would've been diminished or avoided outright had things gone differently. Had all the authoritarian regimes that cropped up as a result of WWI been snuffed out in the womb, imagine how much human suffering would've been avoided.
And the most likely avenue to that would've been a swift, relatively bloodless german victory that would've given them the 'credit' they were so desperate for on the world stage. It would've just calmed them the !@#$ down and gotten that chip off their shoulder.
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History has 30 hours of content on WWI. Magnificent. [Reply]
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