Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
I don't have to, because you're deflecting from debating the issue at hand, and an attempt to deflect is a sign that you have a losing argument.
You said you won't defend abusers, yet we all know that Hill beat his fiancee, and we know because he admitted it. Whether or not it was expunged doesn't change the fact that the abuse occurred.
You also went off on a half-cocked line of bullshit about what was on the audio despite not even knowing what was on the audio. He is directly accused of punching his son in the chest and hitting him with the belt. At no point does he deny that. He also tells his fiancee that she should be terrified of him too. Despite all of that, you still claim that this is a premature rush to judgment.
There's a difference between taking a measured approach to a nebulous situation and being too stubborn and arrogant to admit that you were mistaken and misinformed. Not being able to do that is the actual indicator of a lack of character, and I'm not the one displaying it in this exchange.
No ... I choose the topic.
But just so we can set this other matter aside, I'll share these items with you ...
1. Prior to making the posts you commented on, I had not yet heard the entire KCTV story (the 6-minute one). I had only heard the (very different) short version included in the OP. I think a review of the thread demonstrates that. You know, necessitating that I spell it out for you. Data, data, data - I can't make bricks without straw. Had I heard the LP version of the tape in the beginning, I might have chosen ... that is, I can imagine myself choosing ... alternate words and phrases. (I can't guarantee that, though.)
2. Next, if you were to review my posts on the Tyreek subject since this story arose, you might (with help) eventually find a way to wrap your mind around the concept that my "Damien" name for Tyreek's kid has been a reference to a film about a possessed child. What you are harping about was a humorous (albiet admittedly subtle) reference to the many manipulations Damien employed in the films. As most thinking persons know, when people are experiencing heightened emotions, the "too soon" factor can come into play ... a factor that is very likely an element in this case. When that happens, usually an "oops" is in order.
In summary, I feel mentally dirty having to explain all this to you. It is most certainly a waste of time. I'm confident that many Planeteers likely already understand my posts, the source of the "Damien" name I've been using for over a month, as well as the "whiny little bitch" reference. The fact that you cannot indicates one of three things; A) You are truly an overtly emotional moron, B) You simply don't like me (which is perfectly understandable, by the way), or C) You don't like to be perceived by anyone as anything other than the image you are attempting to sell online. Apparently, you are also willing to fight in order to maintain that "image".
I won't hazard a guess as to which reason (or combination) is correct. However, for the purposes of continuing our discussion, I'll go with "C".
Now back to the topic I chose in my prior post; prove me wrong.
Originally Posted by ghak99:
Chiefs learned of this in real time.
Sounds like they're going to sit on him and let things play out a while.
Oh that would just tingle my nuts for the entire time it was taking place, it would. The Chiefs haven't been as knee-jerk on this as they were on Hunt, so who knows? Maybe they'll let the storm blow over and let the justice system do its work.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Regarding the recording, I’m guessing this was presented to the investigation but the two of them denied its importance or downplayed it so the prosecution couldn’t really use it. But the friend, perhaps thinking she’s doing the right thing or perhaps just has a grudge, releases the audio out of anger towards both of them and to specifically get Hill in trouble by continuing to ruin him.
It definitely isn’t good for Espinal so that leads me to think the friend was mad about no charge and took action on her own without thinking it may look bad on her. I’m sure the friend had many conversations with Espinal and was disappointed that in her view she might be protecting Hill or even be a possible suspect herself. Even if the prosecution didn’t hear this the reasoning behind the audio release as I suspect it is still a strong possibility.
I don't know who this "friend" is, but if I were Cristal I would probably not be very happy with this "friend" right now, considering that they set me up for a perjury charge.
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
What, that he was whipping his kid's ass and the kid twisted wrong and broke his arm?
Fuck, I remember as a kid, running from my Dad because I was going to get my ass beat and ran right into a steel beam hanging out of the back of the truck, damn near knocked myself out.
the only positive thing out of all of this as far as I can see is it became REALLY easy to determine who's such a piece of shit I don't ever care to read what they think about anything ever again.
The odds are pretty high that the kid is going to grow up and have the same tendency to exert violence on loved ones like Hill does. That kind of shit sticks with you. It's part of why there's this high opinion of "whuppins" in the South that go way beyond the realm of disciplining a child-- people believe in it because it's what they went through when they were kids.
Oh, and I don't give a fuck anymore. I went from hating the Tyreek Hill pick to thinking that the therapy was working and he was actually a changed man, back to being desperate he could just sweep this under the rug for one more year and that it was all an accident, and now this shit comes out. I'm done.
Don't care anymore. Should probably just cut the guy, given any team that tries to pick him up will have to deal with some pretty lengthy suspension time, not to mention a pretty significant PR backlash. But I'm done hoping he plays for the Chiefs or caring about the value he has as a player.
We've still got Watkins and Kelce. We've gone from being a powerhouse set of offensive weapons to just decent. We DO, however, have the best damn QB in the game.
Fucking reload. Find another strategy. Give Mahomes some different tools.
Originally Posted by kcpasco:
Maybe that should bother your moral compass. They care more about the draft than child abuse.
What the fuck are the Chiefs supposed to do? Hold candlelight vigils?
They're cooperating with law enforcement. Just because one of their employees is caught up in this shit doesn't mean they can just delay the events of the NFL season, and it just so happens that the biggest event of the NFL offseason is happening this weekend. They have to be thinking about using it as a means to replace the production vacated by their piece of shit employee, which means acting quickly to gain whatever assets possible, even amidst a time when they should be more somber about the real issue at hand.
Let law enforcement and the media do that shit. That's not the job of an NFL team. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
The recording proves nothing except that she is an admitted liar who baits Tyreek.
You know, as many times as Reid said "week to week", I'm pretty sure we can muster just as many "no comments" if need be. What's the damage in letting portions of the fan base's panties cool while the legal system does it's job? We're not heading in to camp tomorrow.
See if you look at like a business, you have a lot of options in this matter regardless of how the wind blows. If some fans want to cancel their season tickets well, this ain't the Herm era and I guaran-fucking-tee you there will be 24 or more parties behind the quitters who will be MORE than happy to get their mitts on those seats, and will happily pay a higher price than any old-timers who might have duration discounts.
Worse comes to worse you place him on suspension and keep him out of the hands of potential vultures. Why should they profit?
Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut:
The thing is it only audio unless there video proof you can't suspend him. Plus he was recordes without his knowledge since he in missouri it entrapment.
Something that seems to be overlooked is that CPS had cause to believe any abuse issues were from both parents. The audio sort of confirms that when she is accusing him and he turns it back to her with “what about you” implying that she will be in trouble too. If that wasn’t the case then mom and child would have been given other living situation options.
But they apparently didn’t feel he was safe with her for the time either. That would explain why they decided to play nice for the investigation and try to just go through a more “normal” child care planning process without accusations thrown at each other. In their minds it could have been either they both keep custody or neither potentially does. But that apparently didn’t sit well with the friend. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
You know, as many times as Reid said "week to week", I'm pretty sure we can muster just as many "no comments" if need be. What's the damage in letting portions of the fan base's panties cool while the legal system does it's job? We're not heading in to camp tomorrow.
See if you look at like a business, you have a lot of options in this matter regardless of how the wind blows. If some fans want to cancel their season tickets well, this ain't the Herm era and I guaran-****ing-tee you there will be 24 or more parties behind the quitters who will be MORE than happy to get their mitts on those seats, and will happily pay a higher price than any old-timers who might have duration discounts.
Worse comes to worse you place him on suspension and keep him out of the hands of potential vultures. Why should they profit?
Originally Posted by Bump:
Every other team in the NFL is chomping at the bits at this situation. They are all saying "yes yes, dumbasses release him so we can get him cheap, we'll put out a press conference about how he's changing and taking anger management classes and it will be all good and that speed will be on our team!"
My God nobody can actually believe this. The Chiefs may have a tough decision because we already have him. No team is going to sign him any time in the very very near future. This isn't even the same ballpark as kareem hunt or Adrian Peterson. They got a second chance. Tyreek is already on his second chance.
He isn't even one mistake away from a ray Rice like suspension. If he so much as farts the wrong way he's getting the hammer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
My God nobody can actually believe this. The Chiefs may have a tough decision because we already have him. No team is going to sign him any time in the very very near future. This isn't even the same ballpark as kareem hunt or Adrian Peterson. They got a second chance. Tyreek is already on his second chance.
He isn't even one mistake away from a ray Rice like suspension. If he so much as farts the wrong way he's getting the hammer.
How do you figure that? He came in to the league on a closed-out, fully resolved case. Unless he had to sign some special agreement pertaining directly to him, he's done nothing wrong while being a player in the NFL. [Reply]
