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Nzoner's Game Room>Let's talk about the Ravens.
Direckshun 12:34 AM 12-03-2018
The Ravens are a uniquely weird team in Week 14 of the NFL season.

They're weird because their QB position is a great unknown.

Joe Flacco is, of course, the world's most underwhelming Super Bowl MVP, and has sucked this year. We know who he is, we have millions of hours of underwhelming tape to depressingly watch. And he returned to practice this week, but did not play, Eric Berry style.

But that might change. He may see the field.

Which is interesting, because their backup QB, Lamar Jackson, a 1st round selection by the Ravens (albeit with the 32nd pick), is a very weird player. He runs, and runs, and runs with the ball. His completion percentage is a not-terrible 60%. And he's only played three weeks, so tape on him is slim.

We know this: he is fast, he is not afraid to run the ball, and he's a damn gazelle when he does.

The good news: we can probably spy him. His weapons are bleak. Alex Collins is his #1 RB, and he's averaging 3.6 yards a carry. His #1 receiver is John Brown, who initially looked like Tyreek Hill when he first hit the league, but has since statistically slowed down and is now just a good receiver with very difficult speed to account for. Michael Crabtree is their #2 alongside Willie Snead, and Tyreek Hill has more yardage than both of those guys combined, but Crabtree has had good games against us in the past.

As a result, the Ravens are still somehow 13th in the league in yardage, they are averaging 25 points a game.

The Ravens have good pass protection, as they've only given up like 25 sacks or something like that. Ronnie Stanley is their LT.

But really, the Ravens offense wins by trying to run the ball, passing decently, and then letting Lamar Jackson get creative.

As far as the defense is concerned.................. biggest test of the year right here folks.

#1 rated defense in yardage (they're allowing under 300 yards/game).
#1 rated defense in points (they're allowing 17 points/game).

I think it's safe to say we're going to beat those averages but they should still slow us down pretty significantly. I don't know if Patty will have another 4 TD game here.

The Ravens get good pressure on the QB -- they're 9th in the league in sacks, and the pressure comes from everywhere. Suggs has always played well against us but he only has 5.5 this year. They blitz a good amount.

Simply put, the Ravens pass defense will be the biggest challenge Mahomes faces all year. They're allowing under 200 yards passing all season. Eric Weddle is a goddamn general at the back of their defense, and they've got a solid corner or two despite the fact that none of their corners are true ballhawks. Brandon Carr will make a rare appearance against the Chiefs, which is whatever, but he's apparently playing well.

The Ravens have a mean defensive line, and maybe the meanest NT in the league in Brandon Williams. I'm willing to bet they drop everyone in coverage, smother Kelce, and dare Spencer Ware to beat their DL. That's a very tall order, and I don't think our run game is up to the challenge. Mahomes will need to tap every ounce of his MVP talent to get yardage.

In special teams, they have arguably the greatest kicker in modern NFL history in Justin Tucker. They've had one punt return for a TD.

They're 7-5. They're on a three game win streak. Lamar Jackson has started all three games.

Their wins: Bills, Broncos, @Steelers, @Titans, Bengals (no Dalton), Raiders, @Falcons
Losses: @Bengals (Dalton), @Browns, Saints, @Panthers, Steelers

That schedule is all over the place. They beat Pitt in Pitt, but pathetically lose to the Browns. The most damning game on the schedule is the Saints game, where they only lost by a point.

How is this team so good? I've asked before. They have no elite talent on offense and are still racking up yardage and point. They have a damn good defense but don't intercept the ball and they don't have any sack masters like the Chiefs do.

What is going on?
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Hammock Parties 07:42 PM 12-04-2018
Mahomes needs to reel in the "fuck it" throws this week.

The Ravens can turn those into picks.

He was skirting dangerously close to the edge against Oakland. Got away with it because they are the Raiders.

Play within the scheme.
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Hog's Gone Fishin 08:23 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Mahomes needs to reel in the "**** it" throws this week.

The Ravens can turn those into picks.

He was skirting dangerously close to the edge against Oakland. Got away with it because they are the Raiders.

Play within the scheme.
The Ravens are getting ready to have a whole new experience they've never seen before. Mahomes is going to pick them apart.
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Marcellus 08:37 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by RJ:
The Ravens scored on strip sack fumbles the past two weeks. Just sayin is all.
True but they have 5 fumble recoveries all season so its not been a trend.
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Stryker 08:39 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by bobbything:
If they throw the ball fewer than 20 times, it's going to be a really close game. That means they've kept our offense off the field.

That said, the formula for the Chiefs is to get a stop, get the lead, get a stop, add to the lead, play pattycake the rest of the game on defense. It's worked 10 times thus far. The only teams is hasn't worked against, where our defense had given up the lead with 2 minutes to spare, are very good.

The Ravens have 5 losses. They aren't the Rams or the Patriots. We are at home. I think we win but it'll be just as frustrating on defense in the 2nd half as it's been all year.
Man so sad to say but, well said. We really need this b/c the Seattle game is going to be the decision maker in my book.
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Stryker 08:56 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The 2 games we lost were because of untimely turnovers, specifically INT's and sack trip fumbles. The Ravens aren't generating those. I think this match up plays more favorable for the Chiefs.

I get the yards and points thing but seriously doubt that they will stop Mahomes very consistently.
I totaly disagree. We lost both games by 3 points and it boils down to clock management. The same thing happened in New England in the POs. We had the ball in the court and screwed the pooch all 3 times.
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Marcellus 08:57 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by Stryker:
I totaly disagree. We lost both games by 3 points and it boils down to clock management. The same thing happened in New England in the POs. We had the ball in the court and screwed the pooch all 3 times.
We also turned the ball over repeatedly. Defensive scores in both losses. None in the 10 wins.
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Blick 10:05 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Mahomes needs to reel in the "**** it" throws this week.

The Ravens can turn those into picks.

He was skirting dangerously close to the edge against Oakland. Got away with it because they are the Raiders.

Play within the scheme.
For real.

This game has me worried. Very similar to the Jags game imo but Ravens are better. We usually dominate rookie QB's at Arrowhead but we haven't seen an athlete like Jackson all year. Do we really have confidence in our LB's and safeties against Lamar Jackson on the edge? The Ravens have the defense to slow the offense down like the Jags did. Mahomes is capable of throwing a couple picks and the Ravens have a unique weapon at QB to supplement their run game and control the clock.

This game could go wrong for us if the offense is off and we don't get the turnovers that Bortles gave us.
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Pasta Little Brioni 11:23 PM 12-04-2018
They held a Saint team to 24 that Dallas held to 10...oh noes!!!

Meanwhile KC has scored more than EVERY team they have faced has allowed per game on the season while being stingy at home allowing points..
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htismaqe 11:29 PM 12-04-2018
The Ravens have FIVE, count them, FIVE interceptions as a team all freaking season.
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FAX 11:30 PM 12-04-2018
Didn't we already play the NFL's best defense at the time? Like ... two of them already?

FAX
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htismaqe 11:31 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by FAX:
Didn't we already play the NFL's best defense at the time? Like ... two of them already?

FAX
They're the best defense until they play the Chiefs.
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carcosa 11:32 PM 12-04-2018
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
They held a Saint team to 24 that Dallas held to 10...oh noes!!!

Meanwhile KC has scored more than EVERY team they have faced has allowed per game on the season while being stingy at home allowing points..
Yes!

My favorite NFL football team., The Kansas City Chiefs, WILL win the gmae!
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wheeler08 12:18 AM 12-05-2018
I’m ready for an exiting game. This season has been a roller coaster. When we had Smiff you just expected to lose to bad teams. This year you just expect to win those games. Like the Browns and Cardinals. I just didn’t get real excited about watching those games. These next 3 games are going to be huge. This weekend will be a huge test for the offense. If we get our rhythm back, I’m not too worried about it. I’d be more comfortable though if Flacco was starting. Can we use DoD to spy Jackson the whole game? Isn’t that what we kinda done in the Rams game. Not spy but used him for his speed.
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RaidersOftheCellar 08:37 AM 12-05-2018
This seems like the exact type of team that can create major problems for us. Stout enough defensively to slow us down, and mobile and quick enough offensively to neutralize our pass rush (the only strength of our D).
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Best22 08:45 AM 12-05-2018
Originally Posted by Stryker:
I totaly disagree. We lost both games by 3 points and it boils down to clock management. The same thing happened in New England in the POs. We had the ball in the court and screwed the pooch all 3 times.
When down 33-40 in New England, if we “matriculate the ball down field” and tie with no time left, we are still looking at overtime. Assuming we actually score on a long, methodical drive

The Rams interception was a bad play call, but the “reason” we lost was poor performance (how about block Ebuknam?)

Mahomes first half mistakes in New England were a 14 point difference (overthrow took off 4, interception gave them 7, second interception robbed us of 3)

Then the Rams turnovers were the result of many things. But it’s not like we were going 16-0 with a first year starter and a bad defense
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