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Nzoner's Game Room>The PI call that the refs voluntarily overturned
bobbything 05:15 PM 10-13-2019
You know, the one on Mahomes’ interception. The refs called pass interference, announced the call, and then huddled together and voluntarily overturned their own call after they announced it.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. Someone explain how that happens without a challenge.
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ljmhawk 06:45 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
Because they hyped the Mahomes v Watson match up all week like it was Ali v Frazier, and CBS was BROADCASTING IT TO 95% OF THE COUNTRY.

They don't give a **** if the Chiefs win or lose, they just want close games in the 4th qtr.

People who don't see the manipulation are monosyllabic rubes.
do you also think the earth is flat?
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Shag 06:46 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by DanT:
The NFL has specific rules about what kind of plays are and are not reviewable.
Reviewable BY CHALLENGE. Nothing was challenged, therefore, nothing should have been reviewed/changed by the powers-that-be.
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PHOG 06:46 PM 10-14-2019
Huh, and here I thought the call on the field was DPI. In order to reverse that, there needed to be a challenge, bad call or good call, doesn't matter IMO. That was the call on the field. It was announced. they had spotted the ball. Huh.
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SupDock 06:48 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by PHOG:
Huh, and here I thought the call on the field was DPI. In order to reverse that, there needed to be a challenge, bad call or good call, doesn't matter IMO. That was the call on the field. It was announced. they had spotted the ball. Huh.
Exactly, the Texans could have used a challenge. That didn't happen
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DanT 06:48 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by ljmhawk:
their mistake was calling it DPI which it wasn’t. it was holding or illegal contact.
Right, it was a mistake to call it DPI. If they had called it holding or illegal contact, that would have been good. But they didn't call it that and it wasn't possible for them to use instant replay to change that call.
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rabblerouser 06:49 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by DanT:
The NFL has specific rules about what kind of plays are and are not reviewable. Certain kinds of judgment calls are not reviewable, including making illegal contact with a receiver. The list is available here, https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...lebook/#rule15

Here are things that can be reviewed


Here are some things that can not be reviewed
Are you fucking dense?

I never said they had to review ANYTHING. I know it's not reviewable.

They should have went with the wrong call (they do THAT all the time) and if Houston wanted to review the erroneous DPI, then they could've challenged it.

But the fact that they were TOLD to change the call by New York, AFTER the ball was set and KC was lined up to run a play is just more proof of the fix.

NY lets all kinds of shit calls go on, every single game. Why they chose THAT one to buzz down and change is more than a little suspicious - and since they can just stop play and go "let's get half of this call corrected" but not say "the reason we know this isn't DPI is because it's actually illegal contact"...is just evidence of the NFL's full-on fuckery.

Quit making excuses for the NFL's fuckery.
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rabblerouser 06:51 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by DanT:
Right, it was a mistake to call it DPI. If they had called it holding or illegal contact, that would have been good. But they didn't call it that and it wasn't possible for them to use instant replay to change that call.
They didn't use instant replay to change the call from DPI.

Someone in NY told them to change it via Hochuli's earpiece.

Watch the video. It's been posted in this thread.
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SupDock 06:51 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by DanT:
Right, it was a mistake to call it DPI. If they had called it holding or illegal contact, that would have been good. But they didn't call it that and it wasn't possible for them to use instant replay to change that call.
The point is, the play was never reviewed at all. A penalty was announced, the ball was moved and then suddenly it was reversed without a review.

I would have had no problem if before the penalty was announced the refs had huddled and given the explanation that it couldn't be pass interference
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rabblerouser 06:52 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by Shag:
Reviewable BY CHALLENGE. Nothing was challenged, therefore, nothing should have been reviewed/changed by the powers-that-be.
EXACTLY.
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rabblerouser 06:53 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by SupDock:
The point is, the play was never reviewed at all. A penalty was announced, the ball was moved and then suddenly it was reversed without a review.

I would have had no problem if before the penalty was announced the refs had huddled and given the explanation that it couldn't be pass interference
I don't know what that's so hard for DanT to understand.

Cognitive dissonance, perhaps?
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DanT 06:54 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
why can't they?

If they can change it to what it ISN'T - a no-call interception - with no challenge, they can change it to what it really was - illegal contact.
Hey rabblerouser,

I answer your question was a post about Instant Replay and what is or isn't reviewable, but now that I think about it, I don't know whether or not the officials could have changed the call to illegal contact on their own accord. That would be good to know.
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rabblerouser 06:57 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by DanT:
Hey rabblerouser,

I answer your question was a post about Instant Replay and what is or isn't reviewable, but now that I think about it, I don't know whether or not the officials could have changed the call to illegal contact on their own accord. That would be good to know.
I have no question about instant replay.

Because it wasn't reviewed via instant replay.

There was no challenge.
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ljmhawk 07:07 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
They didn't use instant replay to change the call from DPI.

Someone in NY told them to change it via Hochuli's earpiece.

Watch the video. It's been posted in this thread.
there was no DPI on Kelce....the ball has to be thrown to him. KELCE WAS NOWHERE NEAR CATCHING THE BALL. the licked up the flag because there was no DPI on Kelce because the ball wasn’t thrown to him. what can’t you understand? i’m a chiefs fan and they screwed it up...they should have called holding or illegal contact.
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DanT 07:07 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
I have no question about instant replay.

Because it wasn't reviewed via instant replay.

There was no challenge.
Thanks, I see what you mean, now.

I just took a glance through the rule book. "Challenges" have to do with the review of plays be Instant Replay. In theory, this "pass interference" call could have been overturned by a coach's challenge, but Houston didn't challenge it.

Instead, the officials initiated their own discussion and corrected the call. The officials did not on their own accord. You are asking, then, the very reasonable question, why couldn't they have just called it illegal contact then? I believe the answer to that is that they could have in fact done so.

I suppose that the reason why they didn't do so is that the officials didn't think it was illegal contact at the time the play was going on and they didn't change their mind about it during the post-play huddle(s). I would guess that in the spur of the moment, that of the officials who saw the Kelce-Johnson engagement, the main thing they had in their mind after the "pass interference" call was announced what "No way was that pass interference!". But, had an official also thought, "but it was illegal contact", then they could have called it that.

So I was wrong earlier in saying that the officials couldn't have overturned the call. They couldn't have used replay review to do so, but I think they could have if they wanted to, on their own accord. Thanks for asking your questions!

Just thinking about the human factors in play, I don't think the officials at the time were thinking that there was as big of a need to correct the "non-call" of illegal contact as there was a big need to correct the egregious call of pass interference.
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DanT 07:11 PM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by SupDock:
The point is, the play was never reviewed at all. A penalty was announced, the ball was moved and then suddenly it was reversed without a review.

I would have had no problem if before the penalty was announced the refs had huddled and given the explanation that it couldn't be pass interference
Thanks, SupDock, I see what you mean now.
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