Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I had the original round plus a booster six months after. It felt like the wise choice at the time. Knowing what I know now, I'd do it again. I get the flu vaccine every fall so I'll probably also get a COVID booster at that time each year. [Reply]
I got original Pfizer with 2 Moderna boosters, opted not to get anymore boosters and ended up getting COVID for the first time this fall and it sucked headache /fever for 5 days plus the worst sore throat I have ever had lost ten lbs because I couldn’t eat or drink , ended up getting pretty dehydrated but no respiratory issues , so will probably get a booster next time they offer it at work or with my FLU shot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hank Hill:
Does anyone in here regret getting the vaccine?
I do.
I didn't want to get in the first place but since I work in government contracting, I was basically forced to get it or lose my job. I politely acquiesced and got the shot anyway because I wanted to be a good corporate citizen.
The shot itself was unlike anything I ever had. They used a huge, almost IV-like, needle and my arm bled for several hours. I've had thousands of shots, IV's, and blood draws and have never bled like that, especially not from my damn shoulder.
On top of that, about 4 weeks after the shot, I started getting radiating pain starting in my shoulder where I got the shot and extending down into my elbow. I've had it ever since and even though I cannot say it was the shot that caused, it certainly looks plausible. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Original Pfizer, 1 Pfizer booster, 2 Moderna boosters. Never felt a thing any time. Haven't gotten covid as far as I know.
I think I'd rather die than get hardcore long covid.
My brother had all of his shots - base + booster - and has had COVID 3 times since. Not one of the extreme cases mind you but he now has an asthmatic condition caused by having COVID. He's had it for over 8 months and it's showing no signs of improvement. [Reply]
The shot itself was unlike anything I ever had. They used a huge, almost IV-like, needle and my arm bled for several hours. I've had thousands of shots, IV's, and blood draws and have never bled like that, especially not from my damn shoulder.
On top of that, about 4 weeks after the shot, I started getting radiating pain starting in my shoulder where I got the shot and extending down into my elbow. I've had it ever since and even though I cannot say it was the shot that caused, it certainly looks plausible.
That sounds bizarre. I mean all the shots I got were pin pricks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
My brother had all of his shots - base + booster - and has had COVID 3 times since. Not one of the extreme cases mind you but he now has an asthmatic condition caused by having COVID. He's had it for over 8 months and it's showing no signs of improvement.
And maybe he would have had an extreme case without the vaccine?
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
That sounds bizarre. I mean all the shots I got were pin pricks.
Every vaccine I've ever had was a pin prick. It's why I thought nothing of getting the shot once I decided to do it.
This was unlike anything I've ever experienced with getting a shot. I don't know if it was a supply issue with my pharmacist or what.
That being said, it wasn't really the COVID vaccine itself that caused my problems (unless it's causing the persistent pain I still have) but more the administration of the vaccine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
That sounds bizarre. I mean all the shots I got were pin pricks.
Agreed. Sounds like the administration of the shot is the culprit here. Probably injected it into a blood vessel (or nerve?). Avoiding blood vessels is pretty easy as I understand. Just have to do a negative draw to ensure to no blood is withdrawn into the syringe. [Reply]
The one thing I will say about my personal experience with COVID is that it's not at all like the flu or a cold in terms of consistency of symptoms across my family.
Normally, if one person gets the flu and other people get it, their symptoms are almost exactly the same as it spreads (again, in my personal experience).
A dozen or so of my closer relatives have now had COVID and NONE of them presented more than a small overlap in symptoms or symptom severity and all of them were vaxxed. Sure there's some commonality (half of them lost taste, for example) but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason. It's almost like COVID is much more specific in how it affects the body and thus present itself as somewhat "customized" to a person's physical makeup. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Every vaccine I've ever had was a pin prick. It's why I thought nothing of getting the shot once I decided to do it.
This was unlike anything I've ever experienced with getting a shot. I don't know if it was a supply issue with my pharmacist or what.
That being said, it wasn't really the COVID vaccine itself that caused my problems (unless it's causing the persistent pain I still have) but more the administration of the vaccine.
Needle should have nee like any other I think theses had more v volume than flu shots but I found them easier than the Hep a b vaccines , minor injection site pain for about 24 hours , some people did have more of a lymph reaction with theses than other vaccines and axillary lymphadenopathy could cause some arm/shoulder discomfort/pain but should go away within a few months . [Reply]
I may be the champion vaccinator of this group, because I got the first two shots and then three boosters. I was traveling a lot and figured I'd minimize my odds of having trouble when I was around a lot of strangers.
I don't think I've ever had Covid, by the way. I've had a few instances where I wondered, like probably most of us. If I had it I survived it. [Reply]
