Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I said I saw a news report this morning. I get it, you SAW it. I am proud of you. I even conceded that if he said it then okay.
Actually you never said you saw it on a news report this morning...
and if you just watched a report of a 2 hour news conference then you PROBABLY shouldnt be saying he didnt say something during the press conference.
thats the kind of misinformation thats not needed in this thread. keep that shit in DC. or dont post in this thread at all [Reply]
Dear God what a stupid argument. I also watched the segment. Some media is clearly framing headlines and asking questions in a way to do as much damage to Trump as possible. It is what it is...been doing it for the past 3 years. And the moron tends to give them what they want more often than not.
But as far as the numbers go, the CURRENT model, with the CURRENT data available to them gives them the range of 100k-200k deaths. Both Birx and Fauci explained repeatedly in a way that a 4th grader should be able to understand that it could be worse but could also be much better. You likely won't see the rosy side of that explanation in many stories because unfortunately to media, clicks matter.
But for those that didn't watch, it's 100% within the realm of possibility that we only see a fraction of that projection, as the only data in the model is whats happened so far, and so far we have a few major epicenters with heavy spread and deaths. There was plenty of encouraging data on those charts as well, including evidence that other major cities mitigation efforts MAY be paying off and changing the trajectory of the current death projections.
TLDR; keep being careful, don't freak out over headlines, wash your hands, social distance and pray we continue to see good results from said efforts [Reply]
Originally Posted by blake5676:
Political BS...blah, blah, blah...
I'm not going to ban you from the thread because this is your first post in it and your posting history doesn't indicate you spend much time, if any at all, in the DC forum.
But please keep the political BS out of this thread, ok? [Reply]
Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear
Hospitals are threatening to fire health-care workers who publicize their working conditions during the coronavirus pandemic -- and have in some cases followed through.
Ming Lin, an emergency room physician in Washington state, said he was told Friday he was out of a job because he’d given an interview to a newspaper about a Facebook post detailing what he believed to be inadequate protective equipment and testing. In Chicago, a nurse was fired after emailing colleagues that she wanted to wear a more protective mask while on duty. In New York, the NYU Langone Health system has warned employees they could be terminated if they talk to the media without authorization.
“Hospitals are muzzling nurses and other health-care workers in an attempt to preserve their image,” said Ruth Schubert, a spokeswoman for the Washington State Nurses Association. “It is outrageous.”
Hospitals have traditionally had strict media guidelines to protect patient privacy, urging staff to talk with journalists only through official public relations offices. But the pandemic has ushered in a new era, Schubert said.
Health-care workers “must have the ability to tell the public what is really going on inside the facilities where they are caring for Covid-19 patients,” she said.
I just noticed the UK is a 1 on covidly.com. they have less than 30k cases yet list 940 deaths in the last 24 hours. I didn't realize it was going that bad for them [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I don't see anything wrong with how they handled that, most of those people should get the lost money back from unemployment with the spending bill.
They can't get unemployment in that situation. They are still employed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear
Hospitals are threatening to fire health-care workers who publicize their working conditions during the coronavirus pandemic -- and have in some cases followed through.
Ming Lin, an emergency room physician in Washington state, said he was told Friday he was out of a job because he’d given an interview to a newspaper about a Facebook post detailing what he believed to be inadequate protective equipment and testing. In Chicago, a nurse was fired after emailing colleagues that she wanted to wear a more protective mask while on duty. In New York, the NYU Langone Health system has warned employees they could be terminated if they talk to the media without authorization.
“Hospitals are muzzling nurses and other health-care workers in an attempt to preserve their image,” said Ruth Schubert, a spokeswoman for the Washington State Nurses Association. “It is outrageous.”
Hospitals have traditionally had strict media guidelines to protect patient privacy, urging staff to talk with journalists only through official public relations offices. But the pandemic has ushered in a new era, Schubert said.
Health-care workers “must have the ability to tell the public what is really going on inside the facilities where they are caring for Covid-19 patients,” she said.
Yeah...protect their image...or maybe hide the fact that all the execs are making silly bank while their facilities are understaffed and underequipped? Nah...probably not. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear
Hospitals are threatening to fire health-care workers who publicize their working conditions during the coronavirus pandemic -- and have in some cases followed through.
Ming Lin, an emergency room physician in Washington state, said he was told Friday he was out of a job because he’d given an interview to a newspaper about a Facebook post detailing what he believed to be inadequate protective equipment and testing. In Chicago, a nurse was fired after emailing colleagues that she wanted to wear a more protective mask while on duty. In New York, the NYU Langone Health system has warned employees they could be terminated if they talk to the media without authorization.
“Hospitals are muzzling nurses and other health-care workers in an attempt to preserve their image,” said Ruth Schubert, a spokeswoman for the Washington State Nurses Association. “It is outrageous.”
Hospitals have traditionally had strict media guidelines to protect patient privacy, urging staff to talk with journalists only through official public relations offices. But the pandemic has ushered in a new era, Schubert said.
Health-care workers “must have the ability to tell the public what is really going on inside the facilities where they are caring for Covid-19 patients,” she said.
If the U.S. Government had kept hangers full of respirators and other gear just sitting around in case of a pandemic, tax payers would have crucified them. That being said, military hospitals to keep the mobile hospitals stocked with all they need, and as those stores start to age, they circulate them to their active facilities. But that's hardly what we're talking about here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
I'm not going to ban you from the thread because this is your first post in it and your posting history doesn't indicate you spend much time, if any at all, in the DC forum.
But please keep the political BS out of this thread, ok?
Apologies...I didn't think my post was political or partisan in nature. I was simply trying to explain to the two in the back and forth circle jerk about the fact that depending on how you look at it, they were BOTH likely right and just arguing semantics. Will tread more lightly I suppose.
That being said, I do think its an important and salient point that the model they are using that everyone is seeing headlines about has a lot of depth and isn't just a dead on result. The numbers could get worse, but they could also be a lot better considering most of the data the model is using is skewed by projections from the hard hit areas. [Reply]
Oh, and one more thing...they probably don't want it getting out that a lot of domestic stock of PPE was being sold to China when shit was hitting the fan there.