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Ok, i'm going to post this and i will no longer sully this thread with any more "nonsense"... i'm going to introduce you to Colm Kelleher, a legitimate credentialed scientist with 38 peer reviewed papers.
He at one time headed up the scientific research team at the National Institute for Discovery Sciences, an arm of Bigelow Aerospace, one of the most successful aerospace firms in the nation. Much of their work centered around the notorious Skinwalker Ranch and surrounding areas in Utah, home to this day of a dizzying array of paranormal phenomena.
Everything from animal mutilations to various aerial phenomena, disembodied voices, huge, unrecognizable creatures emerging from glowing portals in the ground, human guard and guard dog deaths and injuries, on and on it goes.
Dr. Kelleher either witnessed or was nearby when all of the above things manifested themselves, he has never made any bones about it, in fact, he wrote a book with 12+ time Emmy winning journalist George Knapp about the experiences his team had. For instance, he personally, along with others watched the aforementioned huge, hairy creature emerge from a glowing hole in the ground. Feeling quite threatened, and wanting evidence, they allowed a big game hunter to fire on this creature several times with a high powered rifle... yet no blood was ever found and the creatures tracks simply vanished in an open field.
There are three more of these, but for the sake of brevity of included the last three, at any rate, everything I've said this man has seen and done, he has seen and done... its all in the book, which i've read.
Now, before you ask "wheres the peer reviewed evidence/paper?"... his official explanation is that the unusual nature of all these things made it difficult to put that information together for scientific study. My guess is that Bigelow and the government aren't exactly keen on this info getting out into the mainstream, because there would be an uproar.
But if you as a skeptic are going to be honest about this, you really have to ask yourself... "why would all of these highly respected men, a titan of aerospace, a world class scientist and a multiple award winning journalist, be so BOLD in freely admitting to what they saw and firmly believe to be true. WHY would they risk their hard earned names and reputations on something so out there like this, if they weren't ABSOLUTELY sure they stood on firm ground?"
The bottom line is that our government and other top scientists are deeply involved in scientific research that mainstream scientists either don't WANT to know about because it doesn't fit their preconceived theories, or they don't WANT to talk about it for fear of ridicule from the mainstream community.
There, i've had my final say on the matter, i have little doubt that most of you wont budge an inch on things of this nature and that's too bad for you, you're missing out on an incredibly exciting time for science.
But hopefully, this will open a few eyes for those who are on the fence about issues like this.
Originally Posted by stevieray:
same crap, different post.
There are plenty of very smart people who simply refuse to even try to wrap their heads around the fact that governments around the world have been experimenting with it for yeeears in the shadows.
Its outlandish, it strains a normal persons credulity to the breaking point, its SCARY... but it doesn't mean there isn't the curiosity, money, lack of scientific morals and want to, out there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by scott free:
There are plenty of very smart people who simply refuse to even try to wrap their heads around the fact that governments around the world have been experimenting with it for yeeears in the shadows.
Its outlandish, it strains a normal persons credulity to the breaking point, its SCARY... but it doesn't mean there isn't the curiosity, money, lack of scientific morals and want to, out there.
Originally Posted by scott free:
Ok, i'm going to post this and i will no longer sully this thread with any more "nonsense"... i'm going to introduce you to Colm Kelleher, a legitimate credentialed scientist with 38 peer reviewed papers.
He at one time headed up the scientific research team at the National Institute for Discovery Sciences, an arm of Bigelow Aerospace, one of the most successful aerospace firms in the nation. Much of their work centered around the notorious Skinwalker Ranch and surrounding areas in Utah, home to this day of a dizzying array of paranormal phenomena.
Everything from animal mutilations to various aerial phenomena, disembodied voices, huge, unrecognizable creatures emerging from glowing portals in the ground, human guard and guard dog deaths and injuries, on and on it goes.
Dr. Kelleher either witnessed or was nearby when all of the above things manifested themselves, he has never made any bones about it, in fact, he wrote a book with 12+ time Emmy winning journalist George Knapp about the experiences his team had. For instance, he personally, along with others watched the aforementioned huge, hairy creature emerge from a glowing hole in the ground. Feeling quite threatened, and wanting evidence, they allowed a big game hunter to fire on this creature several times with a high powered rifle... yet no blood was ever found and the creatures tracks simply vanished in an open field.
There are three more of these, but for the sake of brevity of included the last three, at any rate, everything I've said this man has seen and done, he has seen and done... its all in the book, which i've read.
Now, before you ask "wheres the peer reviewed evidence/paper?"... his official explanation is that the unusual nature of all these things made it difficult to put that information together for scientific study. My guess is that Bigelow and the government aren't exactly keen on this info getting out into the mainstream, because there would be an uproar.
But if you as a skeptic are going to be honest about this, you really have to ask yourself... "why would all of these highly respected men, a titan of aerospace, a world class scientist and a multiple award winning journalist, be so BOLD in freely admitting to what they saw and firmly believe to be true. WHY would they risk their hard earned names and reputations on something so out there like this, if they weren't ABSOLUTELY sure they stood on firm ground?"
The bottom line is that our government and other top scientists are deeply involved in scientific research that mainstream scientists either don't WANT to know about because it doesn't fit their preconceived theories, or they don't WANT to talk about it for fear of ridicule from the mainstream community.
There, i've had my final say on the matter, i have little doubt that most of you wont budge an inch on things of this nature and that's too bad for you, you're missing out on an incredibly exciting time for science.
But hopefully, this will open a few eyes for those who are on the fence about issues like this.
Knowledge Is Power
OK, let's take a critical look at this. There are some really fantastical claims here. And science says that the more fantastical the claims, the the more evidence is needed for acceptance. Being a scientist, Kelleher knows the importance of thorough documentation and evidence. So where's the documentation and evidence? They bought this ranch for the specific purpose of investigating these paranormal things. Why would they not bring along cameras to film the big hairy glowing eyed beasts that were coming out of inter-dimensional portals in the ground? They say the tracks disappeared from the ground as well, eliminating that evidence. A physical displacement of soil just uncompressed itself?
I've looked at all the pictures and such that they have available, and it's your classic blurry stuff that could be interpreted as anything.
You make the observation yourself that there isn't any peer-reviewed evidence. There's a perfectly logical reason for why it would be difficult to put that information together. Because again, the more crazy the claims, the better the evidence has to be to convince the scientific community. I know it's popular to think that the government would suppress info. But that's infinitely more difficult when the government isn't the one conducting it. The government certainly has projects that nobody knows about. But that's because they can tightly control their own experiments. They don't have that control over independent science establishments.
Regarding why they might lie? That probably has a lot to do with the fact that they sold a book about it.
Another established scientists named Frank Salisbury investigated the book's claims a bit, and here's what he found:
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Salisbury contacted Garth Myers, brother of Kenneth Myers who lived on the ranch for almost sixty years; had discussions with "Tom Gorman (pseudonym for the main witness), and checked accounts from Junior Hicks and some neighbours to the ranch.
What did Salisbury conclude after his research on the ranch and the unusual reports?
* He reports that "Junior Hicks has been visiting the ranch virtually from the time the witness family bought it, and he is thus able to confirm that he heard most of the accounts shortly after the events happened." (p.217.)
* Garth Myers - "...I can tell you unequivocally that up to 1992 there had never been and there never was any sign of that (UFOs and similar activity)" (p.218.) Gorman moved into the ranch in 1994.
* "...the skinwalker version of the ranch's history is badly distorted..." (p.222.)
* The Skinwalker statement that "...the greatest concentration of high strangeness has always taken place at what became the Gorman's 480 acre ranch" is not correct
* "...I assumed that Knapp had many in-depth interviews with the witness while writing the book...the witness didn't even know the book was being written about his family's experiences until skinwalker was published. And he had never met George Knapp...How's that for careful research!" (p.224.)
The brother of the man that owned the Skinwalker Ranch before it was bought by the research team, as well as neighbors, said they'd never seen anything paranormal in the previous 60 years.
Again, without any actual evidence, this is simply a bunch of wild interesting claims. But it doesn't matter who makes the claims if there's still no evidence. And the fact that the intent was to write a book makes it even more questionable. If there really were insane things happening here like creatures crawling through portals, UFOs, killings, etc. Then show us the evidence. Show us other scientists in the field who agree with the evidence. Show us some consensus of it. I agree the guy is a very successful individual with participation in lots of legit stuff. But everything regarding the Skinwalker Ranch stuff is about as questionable as it gets. In the end, the claims sound really cool, but the evidence still isn't there and reputation doesn't make up for that. [Reply]