Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Yet people wearing masks all the time are still getting sick according to you, is it possible that people who got sick while “always wearing a masks” just did not use them properly or took them off to eat in a packed restaurant. Like most things inanimate objects are not to blame people are.
But that's the convenient excuse and frankly something I have brought up throughout this entire ordeal.
Seeing some pictures on social media this morning of long lines at airports which will cause more spread just from being indoors in large groups. People just can't help themselves. We have uncontrollable spread and hospital capacity nearing full and people are determined to fly all over the country this next week. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Seeing some pictures on social media this morning of long lines at airports which will cause more spread just from being indoors in large groups. People just can't help themselves. We have uncontrollable spread and hospital capacity nearing full and people are determined to fly all over the country this next week.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
But that's the convenient excuse and frankly something I have brought up throughout this entire ordeal.
Whenever someone gets sick:
Should have worn your mask!
I did!
Should have worn it better!
Like a girl getting pregnant on the pill because she forgot to take it one day, not the pills fault., or not taking full course of antibiotics and infection comes back , some rules have to be followed for things to work. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Even if not worn properly, there will be some benefit
They’re not gonna stop it by themselves thoigh
Okay so we are back to the fact that more people are wearing masks not only here but across the globe than ever before yet cases are rising like crazy.
That just seems a bit contradictory.
And now we will hear the "you aren't wearing them properly" argument. Not necessarily from you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Okay so we are back to the fact that more people are wearing masks not only here but across the globe than ever before yet cases are rising like crazy.
That just seems a being contradictory.
And now we will hear the "you aren't wearing them properly" argument. Not necessarily from you.
We’re having less distancing, less of other measures along with the seasonal occurrence of this type of virus
Masking is likely helping slow down cases to some extent, but by themselves not much. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Okay so we are back to the fact that more people are wearing masks not only here but across the globe than ever before yet cases are rising like crazy.
That just seems a being contradictory.
And now we will hear the "you aren't wearing them properly" argument. Not necessarily from you.
Because people are still gathering and gathering indoors, if you stay away from people you can’t get it mask or not. Doing groceries for 15 minutes with a mask vs 1 hour eating in a restaurant mostly mask off or family gathering when the family comes from all over the country with nobody wearing masks for like 8 hours , some people are taking more risks than others. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
We’re having less distancing, less of other measures along with the seasonal occurrence of this type of virus
Masking is likely helping slow down cases to some extent, but by themselves not much.
I don't disagree. But that's not what we hear from some of our resident experts among others.
Point being the message of "just wear your mask" has been grossly overstated and and oversimplified. Even Lord Fauci among other experts have said wearing masks can lead to a false sense of security and other bad behaviors. Doesn't mean don't wear it but quit acting like every time someone gets Covid it's because they didn't wear a mask.
The pro-mask crowd is just as guilty of making excuses on why it was you and not the mask as the anti-mask crowd is at making excuses for why not to wear a mask. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Because people are still gathering and gathering indoors, if you stay away from people you can’t get it mask or not. Doing groceries for 15 minutes with a mask vs 1 hour eating in a restaurant mostly mask off or family gathering when the family comes from all over the country with nobody wearing masks for like 8 hours , some people are taking more risks than others.
