This is the 2021 BBWAA Hall of Fame Ballot. 75% is required for induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Please limit votes to a max 10 to be consistent with BBWAA voting rules. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Infidel Goat: Rob Neyer's article disagreeing on the statistical evidence...
It's 20 years old, so I'll give him some leeway, but given the extraordinarily small sample size, the attempt to parse how he hit in five games vs. three or what he accomplished in an individual AB given the leverage is ridiculous. No one is that good, especially in a sport as random as baseball.
I could make a patently absurd argument that Albert Pujols tried to throw the 2011 World Series. He wanted to put up huge numbers in Game 3 so that his overall performance looked solid, so he hit three homers with a double, and when the Cardinals were down in the 9th of Game 6, he doubled to further pretty up his stat line. But in the rest of the series, he had a grand total of two hits, and committed an egregious error that allowed the winning run to advance in the 9th inning of Game 2. Smells like the fix is in, right?
Or, maybe when players play well their team does well, and when they struggle the team struggles. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Demonpenz:
If harold baines is in Edgar Martinez should be in. Everyone was there to watch Griffey but got to watch Martinez straight rake
It's going to be even worse when a guy who had a failed PED test, who got magically better at nearly 30, and who has 15 fewer WAR than Edgar Martinez gets in on the first ballot.
That will be David Ortiz, and he shouldn't even sniff the second ballot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
It's a fucking crime that guys like Bonds and Clemens aren't in the HOF. Fuck the notion of purity. It's a bullshit narrative anyway.
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
It's a fucking crime that guys like Bonds and Clemens aren't in the HOF. Fuck the notion of purity. It's a bullshit narrative anyway.
You’re probably the guy still complaining that we lost to the Broncos in the playoffs 20+ years ago because they put vaseline on their jerseys. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
It's going to be even worse when a guy who had a failed PED test, who got magically better at nearly 30, and who has 15 fewer WAR than Edgar Martinez gets in on the first ballot.
That will be David Ortiz, and he shouldn't even sniff the second ballot.
I will forever hate David Ortiz and Mike Matheny [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
You’re probably the guy still complaining that we lost to the Broncos in the playoffs 20+ years ago because they put vaseline on their jerseys.
Yup, but they are still champions. Nobody took away their ring. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Clemens, Rolen, Bonds, Jones, (and Jim Edmonds didn't get 5% a few years back and is more deserving).
I'm fine with penalizing but not outright disqualifying known PED guys. Manny, Sosa, Pettite, and Sheffield all had either positive tests, admission, or enough smoke to make it nigh inarguable.
Bonds and Clemens had stats and career first halves that got them in. Rolen has a much better resume than most recent inductees, and Andruw Jones should be in because Jim Edmonds has an even better case.
If it’s obvious roids on Sheff Pettitte and Manny, then count me out on those guys too. [Reply]
Don't give a fuck. They were the best of their era roids or not. When the playing field is level (everyone was on them Don't be naive) . Don't care [Reply]
