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I think it’s obvious Mahomes will throw more INTs than Smith but the real annoyance really comes when people try to equate that to being some crippling disaster that will destroy the team.
First, I don’t believe he is going to be losing any games with three turnovers simply because in a given game there will be a plethora of open receivers all over the field that don’t require a difficult throw by his standards. And the few difficult throws or decisions he may have certainly won’t be automatic INTs due to arm talent.
Also, it needs to repeated that the context of INTs matters. It doesn’t matter one bit if he throws double the picks of Smith if half of them occur in a situation in which you were just going to punt to that spot on the next play after a check down or QB scramble. Sometimes it will result in picks but others will be TDs so it will still be a net gain for the offense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by New World Order:
Mahomes has played basically played 5 quarters in the preseason and has 1 pick.
You have to include the phantom INT's. They count too.
And then there was that day in camp about a month ago when he had those 3 INT's. You surely remember those? One came on an offsides penalty free down type of play. (Alex would have taken a knee and just accepted the 5 free yards, instead of taking the 5 free yards after the interception). One on a rollout where he could have just ran it in for a TD, but didn't want to because he had on the yellow jersey and the defense couldn't tackle him. And one where he called a play, and thought he had called a different play, and wasn't on the same page with his receivers.
We will see, but I think Mahomes will be better for the defense than Smith was. Mahomes has a better chance to keep the chains moving by challenging the sticks, than just accepting a 5 yard gain on 3rd and 7 and punting. Moving the chains keeps the defense on the sidelines. That in turn makes the defense better/fresher. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coogs:
You have to include the phantom INT's. They count too.
And then there was that day in camp about a month ago when he had those 3 INT's. You surely remember those? One came on an offsides penalty free down type of play. (Alex would have taken a knee and just accepted the 5 free yards, instead of taking the 5 free yards after the interception). One on a rollout where he could have just ran it in for a TD, but didn't want to because he had on the yellow jersey and the defense couldn't tackle him. And one where he called a play, and thought he had called a different play, and wasn't on the same page with his receivers.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I think it’s obvious Mahomes will throw more INTs than Smith but the real annoyance really comes when people try to equate that to being some crippling disaster that will destroy the team.
First, I don’t believe he is going to be losing any games with three turnovers simply because in a given game there will be a plethora of open receivers all over the field that don’t require a difficult throw by his standards. And the few difficult throws or decisions he may have certainly won’t be automatic INTs due to arm talent.
Also, it needs to repeated that the context of INTs matters. It doesn’t matter one bit if he throws double the picks of Smith if half of them occur in a situation in which you were just going to punt to that spot on the next play after a check down or QB scramble. Sometimes it will result in picks but others will be TDs so it will still be a net gain for the offense.
To a degree mahomes can get away with turnovers. It'll help having Kareem there to protect the rock at the rate he does and we should hope it continues.
New England has the fewest turnovers of any team over the last 10 years let's not act like he can be mistake prone and there won't be consequences...defenses tire out far quicker than offenses do relative to time spent on the field. [Reply]
