Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by NotDonger:
Regarding "the fully vaccinated," I wonder how many of them were infected during the 14 day period after the boost shot and weren't truly "fully vaccinated."
The 4 that have been talked about, or that I have been in their room, the most were vaccinated in May. They all worked together at one local business. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990:
I don’t get why someone wouldn’t want to get vaccinated at this point?? But its your life I guess…
It begins with dis and ends with information. Can't go further than that while respecting that this is in the main forum and there is a lot of good talk about the facts and circumstances.
My shot didn't turn me into one of the X-Men but I do have wonderful 5G reception now and free HBO for life. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Swanman:
It begins with dis and ends with information. Can't go further than that while respecting that this is in the main forum and there is a lot of good talk about the facts and circumstances.
My shot didn't turn me into one of the X-Men but I do have wonderful 5G reception now and free HBO for life.
No, it begins with lost and ends with trust. The government and big pharma lost a lot of trust and haven't been able to get it back. I'm quite certain that people don't REALLY think the vaccine does that stuff, but they have an unconscious bias against authority that just compels them to disagree no matter how ridiculous it seems. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
No, it begins with lost and ends with trust. The government and big pharma lost a lot of trust and haven't been able to get it back.
There is some of that for sure, especially within minority communities. But when you see someone saying they don't want the shot because they read that 50,000 people have died from the vaccinations, they are getting fed bad info that is causing them to make the decisions they make. It's definitely a function of both.
And don't get me started on the Gates microchips that were being put in the vaccine or the myriad of other insane claims that are making the Facebook/Twitter rounds. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I think it's highly likely this will spike again this fall. Hopefully nowhere near the levels we saw last fall, but I have to believe it's coming.
A month or two ago, I would have agreed with you.
But Delta might be contagious enough, I'm not sure there will be that many people left by fall for a spike.
Sure, there will be pockets here and there that could still spike next fall\winter. But the country isn't going to do a lock down or social distancing. I imagine in person schools will open with the regular school year and colleges.
I think herd immunity (the hard way) is in this county's future much sooner than I would have thought not so long.
Sad to see the completely preventable deaths. And the less visible but still painful cases of long covid that didn't have to happen.
And all the medical resources that could have been spent on something else.
But I guess the good news is the end might be in sight. If people don't get vaccinated soon, it might not matter. It might be a pretty steady burn across the country (with local spikes) and then life goes on*.
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
A month or two ago, I would have agreed with you.
But Delta might be contagious enough, I'm not sure there will be that many people left by fall for a spike.
Sure, there will be pockets here and there that could still spike next fall\winter. But the country isn't going to do a lock down or social distancing. I imagine in person schools will open with the regular school year and colleges.
I think herd immunity (the hard way) is in this county's future much sooner than I would have thought not so long.
Sad to see the completely preventable deaths. And the less visible but still painful cases of long covid that didn't have to happen.
And all the medical resources that could have been spent on something else.
But I guess the good news is the end might be in sight. If people don't get vaccinated soon, it might not matter. It might be a pretty steady burn across the country (with local spikes) and then life goes on*.
My parents have a friend with scarring on her lungs that will likely never go away so long covid is definitely a bitch. I am just hoping a new variant doesn't spring up in a hotspot, either in the US or somewhere else, that is more resistant to the current vaccines. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Swanman:
My parents have a friend with scarring on her lungs that will likely never go away so long covid is definitely a bitch. I am just hoping a new variant doesn't spring up in a hotspot, either in the US or somewhere else, that is more resistant to the current vaccines.
What makes you think new variants won’t keep popping up? It’s such an adaptive virus and there’s always going to be plenty of people for it to continue mutating among. Seems like it’ll just get better at spreading and staying just enough ahead of our vaccines to avoid eradication. [Reply]
Originally Posted by prhom:
What makes you think new variants won’t keep popping up? It’s such an adaptive virus and there’s always going to be plenty of people for it to continue mutating among. Seems like it’ll just get better at spreading and staying just enough ahead of our vaccines to avoid eradication.
