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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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DanT 11:23 PM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by srvy:
I wonder what % of the population gets flu shots and also wonder what the number of deaths before flu shots were a thing.
For the 2018-19 flu season, the CDC reported this (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/c...9estimates.htm)

Originally Posted by CDC:
Vaccination coverage with ≥1 dose of flu vaccine was 62.6% among children 6 months through 17 years, an increase of 4.7 percentage points from the 2017–18 flu season and 3.6 percentage points higher than coverage in the 2016–17 season. Flu vaccination coverage among adults ≥18 years was 45.3%, an increase of 8.2 percentage points from the 2017–18 flu season and 2.0 percentage points higher than the 2016–17 season.
The CDC estimates that in the 2017-18 flu season, flu vaccination prevented about 5,700 influenza-associated deaths in the US (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm).
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arrwheader 11:41 PM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by DanT:
In the United States in 2017, there were 647,457 deaths from heart disease, about 1,800 per day.( https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lea...s-of-death.htm ) The total number of deaths that year was 2,813,503 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm), about 7,700 per day. Having a 2 or 3 thousand die in one day from a virus is notable, which is why the Surgeon General made the remarks he did. In the first source I cited, the number of "influenza and pneumonia" deaths for 2017 was 55,672, about 150 per day.
Sorry didn't mean a day and not coming after you but I just don't know why we have to compare everything to war. If you want to compare casualties of health care workers helping patients in this pandemic to war casualties ok I can reason with that. I just think it is a disservice to those who died for a specific cause who put their lives on the line for their countries not people who just got sick. I know there were civilian casualties at Pearl and obviously 911 was all civilian but they themselves were casualties of conflicts between two cognitive humans sides non the less. Not the same here.



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DanT 11:54 PM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by arrwheader:
Sorry didn't mean a day and not coming after you but I just don't know why we have to compare everything to war. If you want to compare casualties of health care workers helping patients in this pandemic to war casualties ok I can reason with that. I just think it is a disservice to those who died for a specific cause who put their lives on the line for their countries not people who just got sick. I know there were civilian casualties at Pearl and obviously 911 was all civilian but they themselves were casualties of conflicts between two cognitive humans sides non the less. Not the same here.



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I think I understand what you mean. You're right that disease-related deaths don't necessarily involve conflicts among humans, the way that the attacks on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001 did.

I think the Surgeon General was just trying to acknowledge the magnitude of the loss of life and communicate that as a nation we're about to go though a period with very grim daily death counts of the sort we rarely see.
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PAChiefsGuy 12:03 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by arrwheader:
Sorry didn't mean a day and not coming after you but I just don't know why we have to compare everything to war. If you want to compare casualties of health care workers helping patients in this pandemic to war casualties ok I can reason with that. I just think it is a disservice to those who died for a specific cause who put their lives on the line for their countries not people who just got sick. I know there were civilian casualties at Pearl and obviously 911 was all civilian but they themselves were casualties of conflicts between two cognitive humans sides non the less. Not the same here.



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Very good point man. I agree.
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KurtCobain 12:05 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by DanT:
In the United States in 2017, there were 647,457 deaths from heart disease, about 1,800 per day.( https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lea...s-of-death.htm ) The total number of deaths that year was 2,813,503 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm), about 7,700 per day. Having a 2 or 3 thousand die in one day from a virus is notable, which is why the Surgeon General made the remarks he did. In the first source I cited, the number of "influenza and pneumonia" deaths for 2017 was 55,672, about 150 per day.
Still, it's dumb to compare anything like a virus to violent acts of murder.
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arrwheader 12:17 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by DanT:
I think I understand what you mean. You're right that disease-related deaths don't necessarily involve conflicts among humans, the way that the attacks on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001 did.



I think the Surgeon General was just trying to acknowledge the magnitude of the loss of life and communicate that as a nation we're about to go though a period with very grim daily death counts of the sort we rarely see.
For sure, and I think I understand the reasoning why he uses the comparison. It is a way of uniting during a crisis.

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eDave 12:32 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by jdubya:
Interesting

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...yvYY4GjDWqpzF0
Man, I don't know about that...
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Bugeater 12:40 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by jerryaldini:
Missouri is one of seven remaining states with an F grade for distancing using cell phone data. The others are Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Iowa, Oklahoma, Wyoming. Jackson County has a D grade. That's why there's so much upside in their data if they improve quickly.

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/soci...ing-scoreboard
Wyoming? :-)



How the hell can Wyoming get an F? Hell, there are 31 US cities that have a higher population than the entire fucking state. As I just mentioned in another thread, you would be practicing social distancing simply by being there.
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Bugeater 12:44 AM 04-06-2020
Yeah fuck that site...New York and New Jersey both have Bs...give me a fucking break.
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JakeF 12:48 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
In Spain, officials said fatality numbers had fallen for the third straight day while France reported its lowest daily toll in a week.
That's really good.

Hopefully, that trend continues all over the world.
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2112 03:25 AM 04-06-2020
NY city MTA workers taking a toll from the corona virus

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavir...-worker-deaths

New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) announced Sunday that 22 of its employees working on buses and subways have died from COVID-19 -- more deaths than what the city police and fire departments have reported, combined.

The MTA has employed 70,000 people, with 50,000 of them working for NYC transit. The agency reported that 1,092 of its employees have tested positive for the coronavirus while another 5,430 were home in self-quarantine.

The MTA recently announced it would be operating on an Essential Service plan to help shuttle health-care workers, first responders and other essential employees to their jobs, but it was encouraging everyone else to stay home.

MTA officials said they have distributed 240,000 masks and 3.2 million gloves to workers continuing to serve commuters.

Since the pandemic began, workers have sanitized subway stations regularly and handed out some 50,000 gallons of cleaning supplies and 7,000 boxes of sanitizing wipes to aid in the efforts.

Buses have implemented rear-door boarding to limit interactions between riders and bus operators and subway stations have gone cash-less, with most transactions being done via vending machines.
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PAChiefsGuy 03:52 AM 04-06-2020
Spain and Italy death rate slows: On Sunday, 674 people died in Spain from coronavirus, the lowest daily rise since early March. And Italy recorded its lowest death rate within a 24-hour period in two weeks with 525 fatalities.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...-20/index.html
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Mr_Tomahawk 06:49 AM 04-06-2020
I wonder if the media/health officials will continue to paint a doom and gloom picture for a while even when we begin to see the curve flatten? I’m guessing the minute the health officials state that there is improvement and the curve is flattening out, youre going to have part of the population resume their daily routine as much as possible and then we will see an explosion of new cases again due to this...
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SAUTO 06:51 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
They updated this - Holy smokes things have changed.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Wasnt it 83k last week?
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PAChiefsGuy 07:00 AM 04-06-2020
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk:
I wonder if the media/health officials will continue to paint a doom and gloom picture for a while even when we begin to see the curve flatten? I’m guessing the minute the health officials state that there is improvement and the curve is flattening out, youre going to have part of the population resume their daily routine as much as possible and then we will see an explosion of new cases again due to this...
You call it a doom and gloom picture I say they were just trying to get people to practice social distancing.

Yes I agree you'll see more people going out next week, maybe even this weekend. Hopefully we don't see a spike.
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