Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Not to get political but I heard your Mayor the other day, she sounded like quite the...well let's just say power hungry person. I was going to make a reference to Germany but.....
You'd be out of line with that comment. Living here, I'm fine with how Chicago has handled this with us being the most aligned with NYC in many categories. IL is unique in that one county mostly drives the data that decision makers lean most on. Lot of legacy families here, culturally taking in their elderly. Lot of communities where a virus is low on the totem pole of things to be worried about day in and day out even when you know it can kill you and your loved ones.
My issue is a criteria set to open up that can never be attained. A dangling carrot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
All I know is this, part of my retirement plan is to have enough $ to live in a nice assisted living facility. I saw the nursing home my Grandfather was sent to and I can't imagine how he didn't pray to not wake up every night. Between most nursing homes I have been in and death, just roll me off the ****ing bridge and call it a day.
Cocaine and hookers for me , people only leave nursing’s homes one way so I don’t plan on entering one. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
You'd be out of line with that comment. Living here, I'm fine with how Chicago has handled this with us being the most aligned with NYC in many categories. IL is unique in that one county mostly drives the data that decision makers lean most on. Lot of legacy families here, culturally taking in their elderly. Lot of communities where a virus is low on the totem pole of things to be worried about day in and day out even when you know it can kill you and your loved ones.
My issue is a criteria set to open up that can never be attained. A dangling carrot.
Perhaps but when I hear a Mayor talking about "we are watching you" and meaning even your social media posts and threatening to take you to jail for talking about stuff on Twitter it does not come off very well at all.
Especially when she has already violated her own rules because she felt she needed a haircut because she takes her personal hygiene seriously. [Reply]
Plus, distancing will likely erode further. I don't think people should *necessarily* expect to see an *explosion* of new cases. It may lead to a long plateau at high numbers, though.
Maybe we get lucky and weather offsets some of this, although then there are problems in fall.
I don't expect there to be a huge "spike" or "second wave," but it's kind of looking like the downward slope is going to be pretty gradual. Add in a lower level of social distancing, and it's probably just gonna be a long slog without really seeing much progress in either direction. [Reply]
FWIW, there may also be some effects from partial herd immunity in edge cases, e.g. cases are falling faster than the model thinks they "should" be falling in NY. This effect is likely to be negligible for most of the country, though.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
This is basically where I'm at.
Plus, distancing will likely erode further. I don't think people should *necessarily* expect to see an *explosion* of new cases. It may lead to a long plateau at high numbers, though.
Maybe we get lucky and weather offsets some of this, although then there are problems in fall.
I don't expect there to be a huge "spike" or "second wave," but it's kind of looking like the downward slope is going to be pretty gradual. Add in a lower level of social distancing, and it's probably just gonna be a long slog without really seeing much progress in either direction.
Social distancing in and of itself is not very pragmatic. While it can and probably should be practiced in some places, and not just because of the virus but because I don't want to smell your bad breath, it just poses a certain impracticality. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Any movement on the cattle issues?
Last week we killed ~425k. A year ago we killed ~675K during the same week. If we get below 60% of regular beef harvest for any length of time it probably won't be good. I don't know what it's like in your area, but our Walmart aisle didn't have any fresh meat yesterday. Industry insiders are looking forward to more restaurants trying to open, but then they'll turn right around and worry about keeping the kill lines staffed. Sorting through the rumors and confusion is worse than trying to keep up with this thread.
I called the local butcher today and he said he was booked up until the end of September. So even if you get your hands on some of the free pigs being given away you better be able to cut it up yourself. If you can gut, cool, and chunk a pig on your own they can be had for $50 if you'd take enough to make it worth their time.
Some very large poultry producers are starting hatches again. That tells me they are very optimistic about what'll be going on 6-8 weeks from now.
There's a bigger hand at play in the long game right now as well. China is gearing up to start making large purchases in the global Ag sector while countries are struggling. Those cock suckers already hold an interest in the largest pork production company in the US. Thankfully, beef processors are making record profits right now so they'll be playing hard ball, but they're probing the poultry companies pretty hard right now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ghak99:
Last week we killed ~425k. A year ago we killed ~675K during the same week. If we get below 60% of regular beef harvest for any length of time it probably won't be good. I don't know what it's like in your area, but our Walmart aisle didn't have any fresh meat yesterday. Industry insiders are looking forward to more restaurants trying to open, but then they'll turn right around and worry about keeping the kill lines staffed. Sorting through the rumors and confusion is worse than trying to keep up with this thread.
I called the local butcher today and he said he was booked up until the end of September. So even if you get your hands on some of the free pigs being given away you better be able to cut it up yourself. If you can gut, cool, and chunk a pig on your own they can be had for $50 if you'd take enough to make it worth their time.
Some very large poultry producers are starting hatches again. That tells me they are very optimistic about what'll be going on 6-8 weeks from now.
There's a bigger hand at play in the long game right now as well. China is gearing up to start making large purchases in the global Ag sector while countries are struggling. Those cock suckers already hold an interest in the largest pork production company in the US. Thankfully, beef processors are making record profits right now so they'll be playing hard ball, but they're probing the poultry companies pretty hard right now.
Fuck China!! At least their government. Love the food though. [Reply]
Dr. Armstrong who is a Director of a nursing home said they actually say positive results with HCQ but you have to start when the symptoms are mild and that too many of the treatments were at the hospital when it was essentially too late. Not sure what the "clinical tests" did but there appears to be a growing population of doctors that support HCQ.
I just heard that the Governors in CA and MD banned all protests? Are you fucking serious? Sorry, don't want to get political but you cannot do that. [Reply]
