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Nzoner's Game Room>NFL requiring Covid Vaccination to a certain degree
Chief Roundup 02:05 PM 04-13-2021

The NFL informed clubs today any team employee who refuses a COVID-19 vaccination without “bona fide medical or religious ground” will be barred from Tier 1 or Tier 2 status, and thus have restricted access within the team facility and not work directly with players, per sources.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) April 13, 2021


Here’s the full NFL memo, which also says teams must report weekly the number of employees who are vaccinated, as conversations with the NFLPA continue on the thresholds at which protocols on testing, PPE, travel, etc., can be relaxed. pic.twitter.com/FXuIhFP6Vh

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) April 13, 2021

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TwistedChief 07:42 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by |Zach|:
Imagine what sort of bullshit this is.
Maybe yes, maybe no. But your response is a super weak way to refute his argument. And you play into exactly what he's railing against and it's completely counterproductive.
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J Diddy 07:43 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?

I got mine. You puss out?
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mlyonsd 07:44 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by J Diddy:
I got mine. You puss out?
Wow. Where did that come from.
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TwistedChief 07:51 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?
Sorry, but this is a horrible comparison.

For starters, covid is a lot more transmissible than the common flu.

Beyond that, there are multiple strains of the flu each year. And they're forever evolving. And the flu vaccine is directed at one of them. So you're kinda shooting in the dark when you get the flu vaccine. And it's less deadly. And fewer people in the population are going to take it so it's naturally going to have less aggregate impact. So you're never going to come close to eradicating the flu.

The covid vaccine on the other hand is targeted at one particular strain of the virus, and at least at this point, ridding ourselves of that strain could make a huge difference.

Flu vaccine = 50%-ish efficacy
Covid vaccine = 90%-ish efficacy
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mlyonsd 07:55 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Sorry, but this is a horrible comparison.

For starters, covid is a lot more transmissible than the common flu.

Beyond that, there are multiple strains of the flu each year. And they're forever evolving. And the flu vaccine is directed at one of them. So you're kinda shooting in the dark when you get the flu vaccine. And it's less deadly. And fewer people in the population are going to take it so it's naturally going to have less aggregate impact. So you're never going to come close to eradicating the flu.

The covid vaccine on the other hand is targeted at one particular strain of the virus, and at least at this point, ridding ourselves of that strain could make a huge difference.

Flu vaccine = 50%-ish efficacy
Covid vaccine = 90%-ish efficacy
It's a perfect comparison if the goal is to save other people's lives, not necessarily your own.
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DaneMcCloud 08:01 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
Do those "rules" apply to the homeless army camped out up and down California's beaches? What about the masses of people with zero identification or vaccinations pouring into your state? You can't protect the sheep if you don't keep out the wolves.
I wasn't aware that homeless people, you know, people who are broke and homeless, are employed and have the money to attend concerts, sporting events, movie theaters and everything else that society has to offer.

Secondly, while I've seen plenty of homeless living on the streets in Los Angeles, I've yet to see a homeless person or homeless people on highly populated beaches such as Redondo, Manhattan, Santa Monica, Will Rogers or Malibu. I'm not stating that they aren't around but the police and municipalities keep a tight check on the beaches at all times.

Originally Posted by Halfcan:
BTW- I have very specific health reasons not to get the vaccination. So others on here wishing death, job loss, forced compliance can go fuck themselves. These were some of the same morons that said they would never get the "Trump" vaccine because it was rushed and unsafe. Now since their overlords have flip-flopped- they think it is okay to persecute people on social media. Pathetic.
Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen anyone wishing "death" upon those that chose not to get vaccinated.

As for the speed in which the vaccine was developed - DUH!

These vaccines weren't developed in a lab back in the 1940's, they were developed in 2020 with the help of a network of super computers. Both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were developed in less than 2 days because human beings now have the assistance of AI and other computer software breakthroughs. Anyone negatively commenting on the "speed" in which these vaccines were developed has absolutely zero background in genetics, biology, computer science and technology. And beside all of that, developing quick and effective vaccines is AMAZING for mankind.

Do you realize how many people would have been saved from horrible diseases such as Smallpox had computers been invented and assisting scientists worldwide prior to the 1950's?
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TwistedChief 08:03 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
It's a perfect comparison if the goal is to save other people's lives, not necessarily your own.
It's not the perfect comparison at all.

There's one strain of covid that's dominant in this country. It can probably be largely eradicated if a large percentage of the population gets the vaccine. So, in essence, if we all band together, we can make a difference for the public good. That's a large part of the argument for getting the Covid vaccine.

That's not remotely the case for the flu vaccine. Yes, in theory, getting that vaccine reduces the risk that you get the flu and also reduces the risk that others get the flu that season. And that's a positive! But it doesn't remotely eradicate the flu going forward. And the flu itself isn't as deadly as Covid.

Your agument is like saying, "If you don't wash your hands every time you get home, you're a total hypocrite by arguing for the Covid vaccine because by not washing your hands you could get sick and then get others sick."

Similarly, I got very ill with the flu going to the Chiefs/Texans playoff game a couple years ago. I'm sure I got it on the flight seated next to some guy. I should stop traveling altogether going forward based on your argument because I'm more likely to get sick and more likely to transmit it to others if I continue to go to Chiefs games.
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|Zach| 08:09 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Maybe yes, maybe no. But your response is a super weak way to refute his argument. And you play into exactly what he's railing against and it's completely counterproductive.
Someone is taking Halfcan really seriously. Weird.

Have you read his posts?
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RealSNR 08:11 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by |Zach|:
Imagine what sort of bullshit this is.
:-)

https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-cov...vid-19-vaccine

Originally Posted by :
People with a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to any component of the COVID-19 vaccine should NOT receive the vaccine.

People with a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to any vaccine or injectable (intramuscular or intravenous) medication should consult with their health provider to assess risk prior to receiving the COVID-19 vaccine

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mlyonsd 08:19 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
It's not the perfect comparison at all.

There's one strain of covid that's dominant in this country. It can probably be largely eradicated if a large percentage of the population gets the vaccine. So, in essence, if we all band together, we can make a difference for the public good. That's a large part of the argument for getting the Covid vaccine.

That's not remotely the case for the flu vaccine. Yes, in theory, getting that vaccine reduces the risk that you get the flu and also reduces the risk that others get the flu that season. And that's a positive! But it doesn't remotely eradicate the flu going forward. And the flu itself isn't as deadly as Covid.

Your agument is like saying, "If you don't wash your hands every time you get home, you're a total hypocrite by arguing for the Covid vaccine because by not washing your hands you could get sick and then get others sick."

Similarly, I got very ill with the flu going to the Chiefs/Texans playoff game a couple years ago. I'm sure I got it on the flight seated next to some guy. I should stop traveling altogether going forward based on your argument because I'm more likely to get sick and more likely to transmit it to others if I continue to go to Chiefs games.
It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.
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Sure-Oz 08:26 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by J Diddy:
Heart patient. Cancer Survivor. 1st Moderna wasn't shit. The second knocked me on my ass. It was like condensing a week of the flu into 24 hours. Crazy vivid dreams.
Man that sucks ass. Its pretty crazy how some people get so ill and others nothing or very light. Hope you are feeling much better now.
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007 08:29 PM 04-14-2021
Jesus. This world has completely gone to shit. Reading all this back and forth is plain sad. There is too much hate and disrespect for others going on. The human race has no chance.
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TwistedChief 08:33 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.
Buddy, I know the exact point you’re trying to make. And it’s just not really comparable. I thought I explained it pretty clearly in the other post. If not, we can just agree to disagree on this one. Hope all is well.
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J Diddy 08:33 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
Man that sucks ass. Its pretty crazy how some people get so ill and others nothing or very light. Hope you are feeling much better now.



I'm feeling great. Funniest thing about this is I was talking my ass off in my sleep about nonsense, mostly weird scenarios that ranged in time from 20 years ago to yesterday.



My poor wife smacked me 3 times in the middle of the night to remind me "to shut up, you're not at work, you're sleeping."


I had the next day off to recover. She worked for 12 hours on 2 hours of sleep.
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J Diddy 08:34 PM 04-14-2021
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
Wow. Where did that come from.

I'm just playing. Take nothing but what you paid for my words when you read them.
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