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|Zach| 12:37 PM 02-26-2015
FCC approves new net neutrality rules

The Federal Communications Commission voted Thursday to implement new net neutrality rules designed to make sure Internet service providers treat all legal content equally.

The historic vote on the proposal by FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler elicited hearty cheers from a wide array of technology companies and consumer groups while setting the table for further legal challenges from Internet service providers. The controversial proceedings that led up to the vote generated heated lobbying in Washington and public clamor on social media, all in efforts to steer the future direction of the rules that guide Internet traffic.

"No one ... should control free and open access to the Internet," Wheeler said to applause from the standing room-only crowd gathered before the FCC panel. "It's the most powerful and pervasive platform on the planet. The Internet is too important to allow broadband providers to make the rules."

Net neutrality, also called open Internet, is a principle that Internet networks are equally available to all types of legal content generators. Internet service providers (ISPs), mostly large cable or telephone companies, would be prohibited from discriminating against content by slowing transmission speeds or seeking payments in exchange for faster lanes of their Internet networks, a practice called "paid prioritization."

Implementing the principle at a time when Internet streaming technology is changing so rapidly proved challenging to Wheeler as he sought to balance the varying interests of influential content streamers, like Netflix, and large ISPs that have spent millions to fight the effort. The FCC was besieged with passionate comments from both sides of the debate, receiving about 4 million comments, a record. In the end, Wheeler, with a nudge from President Obama, delivered on his proposals, though not without a fight from his colleagues and Republican lawmakers who wanted to delay the vote.

Wheeler's proposal reclassifies ISPs as public utilities, like phone companies, that are subject to a set of regulations that ensure all consumers get fair access to their services. ISPs would be banned from paid prioritization deals, though they can set aside fast lanes for some exceptions, including public services, like remote heart monitoring.

The authority for the new rules comes from Title II of the Communications Act of 1934. The new rules also call for the regulators to "forbear" — or refrain — from some provisions of Title II, including pricing regulation and other parts that are less relevant to broadband services.

The regulations will be published in the Federal Register in a few weeks. They become effective 30 days after publication.

Pro-business advocates and ISPs, including wireless carriers, have denounced Wheeler's approach. The proposal's insistence on laying out the do's and don'ts of operating Internet networks would inhibit ISPs from introducing new services — say, connected refrigerators and smartphone-controlled windows and doors — and limit innovations in improving their networks, they say.

"What doesn't make sense, and has never made sense, is to take a regulatory framework developed for Ma Bell in the 1930s and make her great grandchildren, with technologies and options undreamed of eighty years ago, live under it," said Jim Cicconi, AT&T's senior executive vice president-external and legislative affairs, in a statement.

The five-member commission voted 3 to 2 to approve the proposal, as expected. Joining Wheeler in voting for his plan were Commissioners Mignon Clyburn and Jessica Rosenworcel. Commissioners Ajit Pai and Michael O'Rielly, the two Republicans on the commission, voted against it.

"We cannot have a two-tiered Internet with fast lanes that speed the traffic of the privileged and leave the rest of us lagging behind," Rosenworcel said. "We cannot have gatekeepers who tell us what we can and cannot do and where we can and cannot go online."

The outcome is hardly surprising as all five commissioners had telegraphed their stances since Wheeler revealed the summary of his proposal earlier this month. President Obama came out strongly in support of the Title II option late last year.

Opponents sought to delay the vote until, citing a lack of transparency. On Monday, Pai and O'Rielly issued a joint statement criticizing Wheeler's refusal to reveal the entire 332-page plan and called for "the FCC leadership … to allow the American people a reasonable period of not less than 30 days to carefully study it" before the vote. The chairman made public only a summary before the vote.

O'Rielly reiterated his concern that Obama had inserted himself into the process. "I am just sick about what Chairman Wheeler was forced to go through during this process," O'Rielly said in a statement. "It was disgraceful to have the Administration overtake the Commission's rulemaking process and dictate an outcome for pure political purposes."

Several Republicans — Reps. Greg Walden, R-Ore. and Fred Upton, R-Mich., and Sen. John Thune, R-S.D. — helped create draft legislation in an effort to overrule the FCC's plans. Their legislation would ban paid prioritization, but falls short of reclassifying the Net as a utility.

"We will continue to seek a consensus solution, and hopefully bipartisan legislation, Cicconi said.

The FCC approved net neutrality rules since 2008. But Wheeler, a former tech industry executive and industry lobbyist, was forced to come up with a new proposal when the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in early 2013 tossed out the earlier rules.

Anticipating Wheeler's proposals, ISPs have started to threaten lawsuits. "Instead of a clear set of rules moving forward, with a broad set of agreement behind them, we once again face the uncertainty of litigation," Cicconi said.

Some the key details of the proposal are still unclear. The FCC would have authority to enforce any "interconnection" agreements — deals struck between ISPs and content providers to transmit data more efficiently in the "back-end" of the Internet networks — that are "not just and reasonable."

But whether Netflix can continue to pay some ISPs to locate its servers closer to their networks' key distribution points to stream its movies without too much lag — as it does now — remains unclear.

In a lengthy speech before the crowd, Pai also questioned the FCC's ability to continue to refrain from the "forbearance" promises it made. The FCC also has agreed to not impose further tariffs or require ISPs to unbundle some services or file a burdensome amount of documents. But "the plan repeatedly states that it is only forbearing 'at this time,'" Pai said. "For other rules, the FCC will refrain 'for now.'"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ules/24053057/
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petegz28 09:09 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I find it hard to believe you are in favor of processes that would allow company x to pay an ISP more than their competitors to keep company y's product down as an inferior product by limiting the speed to company y's product. A new innovative competitor would have no chance.
So you don't think companies should be able to pay for preferential treatment at all? In this case let's say Netflix can't pay for faster speeds to their servers? Note I am not saying turn down speeds to someone else's service, I am saying pay for faster speed to their service. Sorta like how I pay more for 250mb internet then say someone who pays for 50mb.
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tk13 09:09 PM 02-26-2015
I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but I can't even begin to understand how a "free market" would consist of an Internet where the sites, goods and services I choose to engage with are not determined by me, but my ISP. That is the opposite of free. I, the consumer, don't get a choice... everything is chosen for me. That's a little too Big Brother for me.
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GloucesterChief 09:13 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by tk13:
I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but I can't even begin to understand how a "free market" would consist of an Internet where the sites, goods and services I choose to engage with are not determined by me, but my ISP. That is the opposite of free. I, the consumer, don't get a choice... everything is chosen for me. That's a little too Big Brother for me.
AOL pretty much tried that. It worked for a while but they are a shell of their former self. I don't think in a free market you would have that. You would have ISPs that would prioritize games, or streaming video, or VoIP though. Offering the consumer faster speeds for what their particular hobby is.

Trying to restrict is probably a non-seller.
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GloucesterChief 09:14 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
You're completely out of your element and I have no desire to discuss this with you.
In other words you don't have an answer.
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BigRedChief 09:15 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by tk13:
I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but I can't even begin to understand how a "free market" would consist of an Internet where the sites, goods and services I choose to engage with are not determined by me, but my ISP. That is the opposite of free. I, the consumer, don't get a choice... everything is chosen for me. That's a little too Big Brother for me.
This is why I don't get the rights wings opposition to this. Well I know why politicians are because of the dark and public money they get from the billionaires and their corporations that would profit from deciding who gets bandwidth and who doesn't. But the rest of the Republican party? Why would they not back this law? Why would the Tea Party be against this law?
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DaneMcCloud 09:16 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
In other words you don't have an answer.
No. I chose not to waste my time discussing with a clueless moron such as yourself.
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Dave Lane 09:17 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by petegz28:
So you don't think companies should be able to pay for preferential treatment at all? In this case let's say Netflix can't pay for faster speeds to their servers? Note I am not saying turn down speeds to someone else's service, I am saying pay for faster speed to their service. Sorta like how I pay more for 250mb internet then say someone who pays for 50mb.
It's probably best you put the drink down and head to bed. Seriously you have no idea what you are talking about. I do.
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GloucesterChief 09:18 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by KC native:
That's how fringers are.

Notice how quickly he moved past the real world failure of deregulation of utilities.
Like I said, in my experience. It is not the case. You may have a different experience. I am happy with my service and I find it goes out less than other places that I have lived.

Also, this report says that it is a little high but certainly not the highest in the nation.
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Dave Lane 09:18 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I find it hard to believe you are in favor of processes that would allow company x to pay an ISP more than their competitors to keep company y's product down as an inferior product by limiting the speed to company y's product. A new innovative competitor would have no chance to really even get started.
Tegu gets it.
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petegz28 09:19 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
This is why I don't get the rights wings opposition to this. Well I know why politicians are because of the dark and public money they get from the billionaires and their corporations that would profit from deciding who gets bandwidth and who doesn't. But the rest of the Republican party? Why would they not back this law? Why would the Tea Party be against this law?
How can you be all in about a regulation when they haven't released all the details yet? The part we think we know about is good. I am just sort of asking the same question you just asked but back at you.
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petegz28 09:20 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by Dave Lane:
It's probably best you put the drink down and head to bed. Seriously you have no idea what you are talking about. I do.
Well, I feel better now, Dave. Thanks for telling us how smart you are.
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GloucesterChief 09:20 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
No. I chose not to waste my time discussing with a clueless moron such as yourself.
In other words, you still don't have an answer to if prices after Guitar Center raised them were still lower than the Mom and Pop shops.
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petegz28 09:21 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by Dave Lane:
It's probably best you put the drink down and head to bed. Seriously you have no idea what you are talking about. I do.
So, Dave "I do" Lane, tell us about the details no one outside of the FCC has yet to see. Since you know so much, I mean.
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GloucesterChief 09:21 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
This is why I don't get the rights wings opposition to this. Well I know why politicians are because of the dark and public money they get from the billionaires and their corporations that would profit from deciding who gets bandwidth and who doesn't. But the rest of the Republican party? Why would they not back this law? Why would the Tea Party be against this law?
Because it tries to fix a non-problem with the heavy hand of government and will stifle innovation and competition.
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KC native 09:22 PM 02-26-2015
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
Like I said, in my experience. It is not the case. You may have a different experience. I am happy with my service and I find it goes out less than other places that I have lived.

Also, this report says that it is a little high but certainly not the highest in the nation.
:-)

I never said they were the highest. Proponents of deregulation said it would lower costs. The jump from being below the national average cost to being above the national average shows this is nonsense.

And even the proponents of deregulation have conceded that service is less reliable and the grid is in worse condition after deregulation.

Just admit it, free markets aren't the panacea that you paint them to be.
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