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DaneMcCloud 09:52 PM 03-09-2021
Originally Posted by vailpass:
I’m building my son’s pc right now. Going to install the AIO tomorrow. My first time using AIO. So I guess I don’t have anything that would be of help right now but I’ll know more tomorrow about what the install is like.
Originally Posted by Pants:
Can't go wrong with either. They have air coolers now that are just as good or better than AIO water coolers at keeping your CPU temps down. I would say the biggest drawback of air coolers is the dust and the biggest drawback of AIO is that the pump will lose efficiency over time and eventually fail.

Currently, my rig has an AIO because it looks nice. :-)
Thanks, Dudes!

After spending hours trying to find a low profile fan suitable for the i9-10900k, I'm going to take Fish's excellent advice and just buy a tower that will fit on a rack shelf, which shouldn't be difficult to find.

I don't know what's happened since my last computer build in 2015 but back then, finding aftermarket cooling fans that could fit in a server case wasn't even an issue but I suspect it has something to due with the heat generated by this latest generation of chip.
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vailpass 10:09 PM 03-09-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Thanks, Dudes!

After spending hours trying to find a low profile fan suitable for the i9-10900k, I'm going to take Fish's excellent advice and just buy a tower that will fit on a rack shelf, which shouldn't be difficult to find.

I don't know what's happened since my last computer build in 2015 but back then, finding aftermarket cooling fans that could fit in a server case wasn't even an issue but I suspect it has something to due with the heat generated by this latest generation of chip.
Sounds like a nice custom rig you have going. It’s cool to see how you are adapting it for your needs.
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Fish 10:43 PM 03-09-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Thanks, Dudes!

After spending hours trying to find a low profile fan suitable for the i9-10900k, I'm going to take Fish's excellent advice and just buy a tower that will fit on a rack shelf, which shouldn't be difficult to find.

I don't know what's happened since my last computer build in 2015 but back then, finding aftermarket cooling fans that could fit in a server case wasn't even an issue but I suspect it has something to due with the heat generated by this latest generation of chip.
I think that will be the best solution really. Trying to make that build fit in a normal rack case would likely create lots of issues. Plus you can get a nice ATX case with glass panel and show off your fancy silicon...

Regarding i9-10900K vs i9-10850K, I don't think it really makes any difference. They are exactly identical CPUs. The only difference is 0.1 Ghz difference in max Turbo boost. That's not going to result in any discernable thermal difference over time. Especially with decent airflow and cooling.

I'm not a fan of AIO at all. Overpriced and unnecessary. I think you can get ~95% as good of temps with a reasonably priced air cooler. Especially if you use quality thermal paste and apply it correctly. AIO failure can be pretty catastrophic too compared to normal air cooled CPU fan. But it sure looks cool.
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DaneMcCloud 05:49 PM 03-10-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
I think that will be the best solution really. Trying to make that build fit in a normal rack case would likely create lots of issues. Plus you can get a nice ATX case with glass panel and show off your fancy silicon...

Regarding i9-10900K vs i9-10850K, I don't think it really makes any difference. They are exactly identical CPUs. The only difference is 0.1 Ghz difference in max Turbo boost. That's not going to result in any discernable thermal difference over time. Especially with decent airflow and cooling.

I'm not a fan of AIO at all. Overpriced and unnecessary. I think you can get ~95% as good of temps with a reasonably priced air cooler. Especially if you use quality thermal paste and apply it correctly. AIO failure can be pretty catastrophic too compared to normal air cooled CPU fan. But it sure looks cool.
Awesome! Thanks for the info!

Yeah, the guys on the pro audio forums are stating the same thing about the 10850k vs. 10900k, so I'll just go that route. The recommended cooling fan is the Noctua D15s, which will definitely fit in a normal ATX case.

Speaking of cases, all I need is a quiet mid-tower. I don't require glass or anything similar since it will be racked up and not visible. I see lots of Fractal Designs recommendations but in doing some research, the BeQuiet! Pure Base 500DX and 600 appear that they'd fit the bill, as does the Corsair 4000D.

Does anyone have any other quiet case recommendations or cases to avoid?

Thanks again, guys!
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Pants 09:07 PM 03-09-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
How do you guys feel about AIO cooling versus standard fan cooling? I've never built a computer with liquid cooling before, so I'm slightly hesitant but I don't really have any options with a server case.

Also, I'm reading that quite a few people are recommending the i9-10850k over the 10900k due to power consumption and heat.

Thoughts?
Can't go wrong with either. They have air coolers now that are just as good or better than AIO water coolers at keeping your CPU temps down. I would say the biggest drawback of air coolers is the dust and the biggest drawback of AIO is that the pump will lose efficiency over time and eventually fail.

Currently, my rig has an AIO because it looks nice. :-)
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Fish 11:52 PM 03-10-2021
Best PC Fans 2021: The Strongest and Quietest Case Fans for Your Gaming PC

Fans come in multiple sizes. 120mm is the most common, but they also come in 80/140/200/etc. The case you choose should indicate exactly what case fans are compatible in the front/top/back.
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DaneMcCloud 03:32 PM 03-11-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
Best PC Fans 2021: The Strongest and Quietest Case Fans for Your Gaming PC

Fans come in multiple sizes. 120mm is the most common, but they also come in 80/140/200/etc. The case you choose should indicate exactly what case fans are compatible in the front/top/back.
I think I'll purchase this Corsair case along with 3 additional 120mm fans listed in the article.

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Airfl..._t1_B07PJ18S78
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DaneMcCloud 03:49 PM 03-11-2021
So after all of the excellent assistance from Fish and others in this thread, I think I'm ready to place an order for the following:

Intel Core i9-10850k
Gigabyte Z490 Vision D
Crucial Ballistix 3200 32GB Ram (2)
Thermaltake 850 watt PS
Noctua NH-D15s Cooler
Corsair 275R Case
StarTech Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter
Samsung NVMe 500 GB
StarTech Thunderbolt cable 2M
Invanky Mini Port Adapter (Monitor #2)
Arctic F12 120mm fans (3)
Arctic Thermal Compound
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Fish 11:32 PM 03-11-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
So after all of the excellent assistance from Fish and others in this thread, I think I'm ready to place an order for the following:

Intel Core i9-10850k
Gigabyte Z490 Vision D
Crucial Ballistix 3200 32GB Ram (2)
Thermaltake 850 watt PS
Noctua NH-D15s Cooler
Corsair 275R Case
StarTech Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter
Samsung NVMe 500 GB
StarTech Thunderbolt cable 2M
Invanky Mini Port Adapter (Monitor #2)
Arctic F12 120mm fans (3)
Arctic Thermal Compound
Yeah, that's a sexy build right there. That CPU heatsink is bad ass. Guarantee that will give you just as good of temps as AIO. Hope you got the black version, because that would look pretty good in that case with that mobo. Especially with that full tempered glass side. LOL. After saying you didn't care about looks....

Just FYI on the Samsung NVMe... their 980 was recently released, and the speed on this thing is simply bonkers. Almost 7000MB/s read speed which is actually almost double the speed of their previous 970 version. Depending on where you buy, the 980 is actually cheaper. If you have the option, get that version.

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-500GB.../dp/B08GL575DB
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DaneMcCloud 11:09 AM 03-12-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
Yeah, that's a sexy build right there. That CPU heatsink is bad ass. Guarantee that will give you just as good of temps as AIO. Hope you got the black version, because that would look pretty good in that case with that mobo. Especially with that full tempered glass side. LOL. After saying you didn't care about looks....

Just FYI on the Samsung NVMe... their 980 was recently released, and the speed on this thing is simply bonkers. Almost 7000MB/s read speed which is actually almost double the speed of their previous 970 version. Depending on where you buy, the 980 is actually cheaper. If you have the option, get that version.

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-500GB.../dp/B08GL575DB
Thanks again! I haven't purchased just yet because I kind of waiting for your response to the parts. :-)

I've got a cart going at Amazon, which for me has been the best source for parts when building computers because they quickly turnaround defective parts. The last two times I've built computers, the motherboards were DOA so while I'll probably shop accessories, I'll stick with Amazon for the motherboard.

I'm excited about this hard drive because normally, it takes me about 60 hours to install and authorize my software so maybe this will cut some time from that arduous process.

Thanks again!
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DaneMcCloud 08:03 PM 03-12-2021
Ordered!

The Thunderbolt thing is a bit daunting because I've never used it before and some of these protocols seem weird to me. I'm kinda bummed that all of the parts won't arrive for 2 weeks but hopefully it's worth the wait.

Thanks again, guys!
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Perineum Ripper 08:10 PM 03-12-2021
You really can’t go wrong with Noctua, great coolers and great case fans. You should be very happy with that build
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DaneMcCloud 08:26 PM 03-12-2021
Originally Posted by mac459:
You really can’t go wrong with Noctua, great coolers and great case fans. You should be very happy with that build
Thanks, Mac!

I'm a bit fuzzy on the Thunderbolt protocol because even though the Gigabyte board has two TB ports, I needed to purchase a Thunderbolt 3 to 2 box and a bi-directional cable that supports TB 1, 2 and 3. I was advised on a pro audio forum that this was the way to go, so I'm just crossing my fingers that it'll work.
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Nickhead 02:57 AM 03-13-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Thanks, Mac!

I'm a bit fuzzy on the Thunderbolt protocol because even though the Gigabyte board has two TB ports, I needed to purchase a Thunderbolt 3 to 2 box and a bi-directional cable that supports TB 1, 2 and 3. I was advised on a pro audio forum that this was the way to go, so I'm just crossing my fingers that it'll work.
you mean you admit to something that you didn't know. If only you had asked me, I could have helped? smh :-)
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vailpass 10:35 AM 03-13-2021
Originally Posted by Nickhead:
you mean you admit to something that you didn't know. If only you had asked me, I could have helped? smh :-)
Take your bitch act to the romper room. This thread isn’t for that.
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