Originally Posted by jd1020:
That doesnt even make sense. A prospect doesnt drop off a list because of an injury (Alex Reyes ring a bell?). He's played like shit. End of story.
There is nothing power about the kid. In 3 seasons at A+ he has a ****ing .376 SLG%. Now he may develop power given that he's only 20 years old, but there is absolutely nothing I have read to suggest that it is likely he'll be this 5 tool player everyone is hyping him up to be.
It absolutely makes sense. Guys drop in prospect rankings all the time because of injury, because other players impress and move up the list. Marty Schottenheimer isn’t calling the shots on these lists, so injury can cause a guy to drop.
Alex Reyes even fell - he was a top 3-5 prospect who dropped into the back half of the top 10 and even into the teens in some lists after the injury.
Florial’s “3 season’s at A+” include all of 8 at-bats in2016 at age 18, 75 in 2017 at age 19, and 134 this year at age 20. That’s not a large enough to say anything about his stat line (other than he has good plate discipline and needs to work on his k rate - BB and K rates stabilize in a sample like that).
And judging prospects at extremely young edges and low levels by their statistics is faulty logic. Ask anyone who works on scouting minor league prospects. Sit in on a chat. They’ll all tell you the same.
Especially “toolsy” prospects like Florial - who had power grades of 55, 60 (FV) entering this season. Just about any write-up about him talked about 30 HR/30 SB potential.
He’s absolutely nothing like Billy Hamilton. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
It absolutely makes sense. Guys drop in prospect rankings all the time because of injury, because other players impress and move up the list. Marty Schottenheimer isn’t calling the shots on these lists, so injury can cause a guy to drop.
Alex Reyes even fell - he was a top 3-5 prospect who dropped into the back half of the top 10 and even into the teens in some lists after the injury.
Florial’s “3 season’s at A+” include all of 8 at-bats in2016 at age 18, 75 in 2017 at age 19, and 134 this year at age 20. That’s not a large enough to say anything about his stat line (other than he has good plate discipline and needs to work on his k rate - BB and K rates stabilize in a sample like that).
And judging prospects at extremely young edges and low levels by their statistics is faulty logic. Ask anyone who works on scouting minor league prospects. Sit in on a chat. They’ll all tell you the same.
Especially “toolsy” prospects like Florial - who had power grades of 55, 60 (FV) entering this season. Just about any write-up about him talked about 30 HR/30 SB potential.
I know your not a Cardinals fan but if you could come around and just talk about baseball related stuff, DJ and Hamas join in..... we'd all be smarter about the game of baseball. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Athletic blows
Rosenthal has cred with me. He doesn’t post shit for click bait. His info he posts is usually solid. It was more of an opinion piece on the state of the Cardinals anyway. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
It absolutely makes sense. Guys drop in prospect rankings all the time because of injury, because other players impress and move up the list. Marty Schottenheimer isn’t calling the shots on these lists, so injury can cause a guy to drop.
Alex Reyes even fell - he was a top 3-5 prospect who dropped into the back half of the top 10 and even into the teens in some lists after the injury.
Florial’s “3 season’s at A+” include all of 8 at-bats in2016 at age 18, 75 in 2017 at age 19, and 134 this year at age 20. That’s not a large enough to say anything about his stat line (other than he has good plate discipline and needs to work on his k rate - BB and K rates stabilize in a sample like that).
And judging prospects at extremely young edges and low levels by their statistics is faulty logic. Ask anyone who works on scouting minor league prospects. Sit in on a chat. They’ll all tell you the same.
Especially “toolsy” prospects like Florial - who had power grades of 55, 60 (FV) entering this season. Just about any write-up about him talked about 30 HR/30 SB potential.
He’s absolutely nothing like Billy Hamilton.
Pay no heed. He's a big fan of spouting off half-baked ideas with only a micron of support, like the idea that Justus Sheffield is "dominating AAA," when his K rate is below 9 and his walk rate is hovering around 4 in less than 60 innings. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Athletic blows
Saxon's piece on Hicks/Norris and the quotes he got from Matheny are very likely what ultimately finished Mike Matheny.
The Athletic still has writers that do actual spadework, as opposed to the guys that work for the local newspapers that can't afford to risk alienating the front office and losing their access. [Reply]
