And while Herbert and Burrow looked good, they didn't win shit either. And it's a small sample size. They look very promising, but it's not a slam dunk they belong that high on the list. You could easily put Stafford above them, or even with them.
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Yeah, it’s definitely up for debate on Burrow and Herbert.

But for the next five years, there aren’t many guys Id rather have than Stafford. You can add Trevor Lawrence to the list, but that’s it from this class.

Side note: how has my phone not learned “Mahomes” at this point and stopped autocorrecting it?
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1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers

BIG GAP

3. Wilson
4. Watson
5. Herbert
6. Allen

BIG GAP

The rest of the field.
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I think that NFCE is due for a huge rebound. It may not show up in the W/L column because they'll trade out losing to the rest of the league to losing to each other, but with Barkley [Jones isn't elite, but he's a different animal with SB running the ball] and Dak back and WFT continuing their crescendo, that's going to be a competitive division. Eagles will depend on how permanently broken Wentz's brain/ego is and how much getting back their stalwarts will help.
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I'd put Stafford ahead of Dak, Herbert and Murray. Ahead of Jackson in big games.

Renumber your list 1, 2, 4, 8, 5, 3/10, 7, 9, 6.
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Look, the ineptitude that is the Detroit Lions caused the early retirement of maybe the best running back in the history of this game when he had miles left on his tires. I do NOT want to see a revitalized Stafford in Denver. Jeudy, Patrick and Fant may not be Hill, Kelce, and Watkins, but they have talent and just need a guy with more consistency than Lock has to offer. Stafford would thrive there.
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Why not?

HOU has a proven track record for giving away too much in trades.

AND

Watson has made it pretty clear that he's unhappy and trying to force a trade, so HOU has no leverage here.

If I were the GM for DET, I would seriously ask for more than just Watson. HOU is over a barrel; I'd take advantage for everything i could get.
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:-). Houston is going to get the biggest trade haul in probably history if they trade Watson. I can't believe you actually believe they'd have to add anything in order to trade him.
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That's my opinion...being a top QB requires winning games against good opponents. It means elevating those around you...

5 out 51 against .500 teams is alarming...that's 3 1/2 seasons worth of data.

It's like three, 1-15 seasons against winning teams.
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What kind of revisionist history are we trying to work here?

Mahomes lucked into going to the best possible place for him, with an absolutely stacked deck of cards.

A great owner in Clark Hunt. Vs. DET's ownership:-)

Andy Reid, just the greatest offensive mind, perhaps in NFL history. A shoo-in HOFer, with a proven track record for making every QB he ever came into contact with better.

An organization that not only had great stability, but a long and consistent winning record. Patrick wasn't drafted to save a sinking franchise; he was drafted to hopefully take the next step past just making the playoffs.

A pile of receiving weapons in Hill, Kelce, Watkins, Conley and Hunt. He even had Harris, who's basically Ebron.

And Mahomes began his career with Kareem Hunt not Damien Williams, who was literally worth a TD when he was on the field.

Vs. DET, still looking for a coach, a QB, a defense, a running game, an identity . . . Matt was literally drafted to save their bacon. Which he did. He gave them their first winning record in over a decade in 2011. And their first QB to throw for more than 40 TDs in franchise history, iirc. Got them into the playoffs for the first time in 20 years(?) that same year. Did it again in 2014, throwing to GT for 1300 yds and CJ for another 1100. With a new HC no less.

Schwartz, Caldwell, and the great Matt Patricia.:-)

Calvin, who bailed after 5 years. And the great Golden Tate. Ebron. you're hilarious trying to equate Ebron and Kelce. Ebron can't hold Kelce's jock after practice.

And then we get to the immutable fact that Matt Stafford isn't Patrick Mahomes. And I know I never tried to equate them, you did.

My only point has always been that Matt Stafford is better than his win/loss record.
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You misunderstand me. I don't believe that HOU has to add anything.

I do believe that they're historically stupid when it comes to trading. And if I were DET, knowing that HOU is over a barrel and that they're dumber than a box of pet rocks, I'd definitely see if I could get more than just Watson.

Not that it matters anyway, because Watson is not going to DET.
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Long overdue. Fresh start for everyone.
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the Bears traded away a boatload of picks to land Watson; the guy they could have taken had they not traded up to get Trubisky. :-)
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That might be the most interesting place for him to go. Hadn't thought about them.
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