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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Obama to issue decree on transgender bathrooms
scho63 07:52 PM 05-12-2016
King Obama makes rules :-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us...ooms.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is planning to issue a sweeping directive telling every public school district in the country to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.

A letter to school districts will go out Friday, fueling a highly charged debate over transgender rights in the middle of the administration’s legal fight with North Carolina over the issue. The declaration — signed by Justice and Education Department officials — will describe what schools should do to ensure that none of their students are discriminated against.

It does not have the force of law, but it contains an implicit threat: Schools that do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.

The move is certain to draw fresh criticism, particularly from Republicans, that the federal government is wading into local matters and imposing its own values on communities across the country that may not agree. It represents the latest example of the Obama administration using a combination of policies, lawsuits and public statements to change the civil rights landscape for gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people.

After supporting the rights of gay people to marry, allowing them to serve openly in the military and prohibiting federal contractors from discriminating against them, the administration has made bathrooms its latest battleground.

“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” John B. King Jr., the secretary of the Department of Education, said in a statement. “We must ensure that our young people know that whoever they are or wherever they come from, they have the opportunity to get a great education in an environment free from discrimination, harassment and violence.”

Courts have not settled the question of whether the nation’s sex discrimination laws apply in matters of gender identity. But administration officials, emboldened by a federal appeals court ruling in Virginia last month, think they have the upper hand. This week, the Justice Department and North Carolina sued each other over a state law that restricts access to bathrooms, locker rooms and changing rooms. The letter to school districts had been in the works for months, Justice Department officials said.

“A school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so,” according to the letter, a copy of which was provided to The New York Times.

A school’s obligation under federal law “to ensure nondiscrimination on the basis of sex requires schools to provide transgender students equal access to educational programs and activities even in circumstances in which other students, parents, or community members raise objections or concerns,” the letter states. “As is consistently recognized in civil rights cases, the desire to accommodate others’ discomfort cannot justify a policy that singles out and disadvantages a particular class of students.”

As soon as a child’s parent or legal guardian asserts a gender identity for the student that “differs from previous representations or records,” the letter says, the child is to be treated accordingly — without any requirement for a medical diagnosis or birth certificate to be produced. It says that schools may — but are not required to — provide other restroom and locker room options to students who seek “additional privacy” for whatever reason.

President Obama during a news conference at the White House last week. Credit Zach Gibson/The New York Times
Attached to the letter, the Obama administration will include a 25-page document describing “emerging practices” that are already in place in many schools around the country. Those included installing privacy curtains or allowing students to change in bathroom stalls.

In a blog post accompanying the letter, senior officials at the Justice and Education departments said they issued it in response to a growing chorus of inquiries from educators, parents and students across the country, including from the National Association of Secondary School Principals, to clarify their obligations and “best practices” for the treatment of transgender students.

“Schools want to do right by all of their students and have looked to us to provide clarity on steps they can take to ensure that every student is comfortable at their school, is in an environment free of discrimination, and has an opportunity to thrive,” wrote Catherine E. Lhamon, the assistant secretary of education for civil rights, and Vanita Gupta, head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division.

Thomas Aberli, a high school principal in Louisville, Ky., said the new guidance would help administrators across the country who are trying to determine the best way to establish safe and inclusive schools. He said his school had little to work with when it drafted a policy that was put in place last year.

“What you don’t do is go and tell a kid, ‘You know, there is something so freakishly different about you that you make other people uncomfortable, so we’re going to make you do something different,” said Mr. Aberli, who estimated that his school of 1,350 students had about a half-dozen transgender children. “There’s been no incident since its implementation. It’s really just a nonissue in our school.”

The White House has called North Carolina’s law “meanspirited,” and said this week that federal agencies were continuing a review of their policies on the treatment of transgender people while the administration waged its legal battle with the state.

President Obama condemned the law last month, saying it was partly the result of politics and “emotions” that people had on the issue.

“When it comes to respecting the equal rights of all people, regardless of sexual orientation, whether they’re transgender or gay or lesbian, although I respect their different viewpoints, I think it’s very important for us not to send signals that anybody is treated differently,” Mr. Obama said at a news conference in London.

The struggle over the rights of transgender people has reverberated on the presidential campaign trail and become a defining issue in the final year of Mr. Obama’s tenure, prompting boycotts of North Carolina by some celebrities and businesses that had planned to create jobs there. The fresh guidance to be issued on Friday seemed certain to intensify that debate, and showed that Mr. Obama and his administration intend to press the issue of transgender rights aggressively as the legal challenge unfolds.

The Justice Department has for years made gay and transgender issues centerpieces of its civil rights agenda. Former Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. described that campaign as a continuation of the civil rights era that brought equal rights to African-Americans. And this week, Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch, spoke passionately to transgender people as she cast the lawsuit against North Carolina in historic terms.

“We stand with you,” she said. “And we will do everything we can to protect you going forward. Please know that history is on your side.”

Some Republicans have defended North Carolina’s law by arguing that it would be inappropriate to allow transgender women to use the same bathroom as young girls. Before ending his presidential bid last week, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas charged that Donald J. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, and Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee, “both agree that grown men should be allowed to use the little girls’ restroom.”
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philfree 10:00 AM 05-13-2016
I bet Obama's daughter's never have to worry about using the same toilet as/with a transgender person. Except with their mom I guess.
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LOCOChief 10:00 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
The constitution doesn't specify every American the right to automatic weapons and bazookas. 99% of Americas think we should restrict access to automatic weapons and bazookas.

My position on guns hasn't changed in 40 years.

You want to call me a hypocrite......Whatever dude.

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Fairplay 10:02 AM 05-13-2016
BRC do you agree with Obama's decree on this issue?
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Lex Luthor 10:03 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by OmahaChief:
So I can now throw on a wig and shower with the girls. Hell I guess I don't even need to have a wig I just have to identify myself as a woman. What kind of effed up crap is that. If you don't think freakshows will not exploit this you are kidding yourself.
The problem with your argument is that "freakshows" have NOT been exploiting this. There are ZERO situations where this has happened. You are attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist, and you're using this non-existent problem as an excuse to support a law that is designed to punish all of the gheys by embarrassing, harassing and humiliating TG people who aren't hurting anyone.
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Fairplay 10:05 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by stevieray:
"loss of federal aid"

....funny how this always gets trotted out.
That is the gun to the head stevie, do as I say or else.

Bully mentality and its finest brought to you by Obama.
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BigRedChief 10:05 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by LOCOChief:
Since we have the best and largest military the world has ever known. How do you propose that private citizens accumulate enough weapons to overthrow the best and largest military the world has ever known?
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Fish 10:07 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by OmahaChief:
So I can now throw on a wig and shower with the girls. Hell I guess I don't even need to have a wig I just have to identify myself as a woman. What kind of effed up crap is that. If you don't think freakshows will not exploit this you are kidding yourself.
Yeah, go ahead and give it a try. I'm sure everyone there will just allow it without question, because that's the way these insane hypothetical situations always play out.
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Detoxing 10:08 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor:
The problem with your argument is that "freakshows" have NOT been exploiting this. There are ZERO situations where this has happened. You are attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist, and you're using this non-existent problem as an excuse to support a law that is designed to punish all of the gheys by embarrassing, harassing and humiliating TG people who aren't hurting anyone.
That's not true. There was an instance a few months ago where women were complaining that a man was using a women's restroom and played the "gender identity" card. They called the police and the police couldn't do anything about it. The story was posted here several months ago.
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scho63 10:09 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor:
I have been as big a defender of LGBT rights as anyone on this forum. I think North Carolina HB2 is a terrible piece of legislation, and I think the only reason states are passing bullshit laws like that are to lash out at the gay community as payback because they are pissed off that the Supreme Court ruled that gays have the right to marry.

Having said all of that, I am completely and utterly horrified at this decision by Obama. Obama saw a smoldering fire, and he decided to throw a mixture of gasoline and nitroglycerin on it. This is NOT the way to go about effecting changes in people's attitudes.

Obama seems determined to start a civil war over this. He is a complete moron and a ****ing disaster as President.
One of your best posts. :-)
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LOCOChief 10:10 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
This is just a fear mongering article on the NRA's website.

How exactly has she proposed taking away the right of gun ownership?
Through legislation that would allow shooting victims to sue gun makers. The article that you say is just "fear mongering" is from the NRA the same one's advocating and protecting your 2nd amendment rights that you say you've cherished dearly since you were a little tike.

Sorry, I know this is the wrong thread for this but when you brought it up I was just hoping for some clarification.
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Detoxing 10:11 AM 05-13-2016
The issue i have with this is that "gender identity" is such a loose and fluid term. We can't define the way someone feels about themselves by a set of guidelines.

If some 6-4" 250lb man wants to use the bathroom with a bunch of little girls, he can simply claim that's his "gender identity".

We can't say, "well sir, you don't LOOK transsexual enough", "you don't LOOK feminine enough" because gender identity isn't about how they look, it's about how they feel.

And don't feed some bullshit that that'll never happen, because it absolutely will. As if stranger things don't already happen in this country....
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Fairplay 10:14 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by scho63:
One of your best posts. :-)
That is what I thought also.

Good job Lex Luthor, you're a valuable member to the DC community.
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philfree 10:16 AM 05-13-2016
So you have a middle school full of girls who are going through their first year of periods and they have to share their restrooms and locker room with some dude who say's he identifies as a female. Really? That's really unfair to the girls. Insulting to women in general.
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LOCOChief 10:16 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Since we have the best and largest military the world has ever known. How do you propose that private citizens accumulate enough weapons to overthrow the best and largest military the world has ever known?
LOL That's your response to the clip I posted of George Washington? wow.
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patteeu 05-13-2016, 10:24 AM
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BigRedChief 10:26 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by LOCOChief:
Through legislation that would allow shooting victims to sue gun makers.
I don't get this. Neither side makes sense to me.

Why should gun manufactures be the only business to get an exception?

How can you hold a gun manufacture responsible for the death of someone by a gun? It was a legal product. It functioned as designed. How are the makers of the gun responsible for that death?
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