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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Obama to issue decree on transgender bathrooms
scho63 07:52 PM 05-12-2016
King Obama makes rules :-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us...ooms.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is planning to issue a sweeping directive telling every public school district in the country to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.

A letter to school districts will go out Friday, fueling a highly charged debate over transgender rights in the middle of the administration’s legal fight with North Carolina over the issue. The declaration — signed by Justice and Education Department officials — will describe what schools should do to ensure that none of their students are discriminated against.

It does not have the force of law, but it contains an implicit threat: Schools that do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.

The move is certain to draw fresh criticism, particularly from Republicans, that the federal government is wading into local matters and imposing its own values on communities across the country that may not agree. It represents the latest example of the Obama administration using a combination of policies, lawsuits and public statements to change the civil rights landscape for gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people.

After supporting the rights of gay people to marry, allowing them to serve openly in the military and prohibiting federal contractors from discriminating against them, the administration has made bathrooms its latest battleground.

“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” John B. King Jr., the secretary of the Department of Education, said in a statement. “We must ensure that our young people know that whoever they are or wherever they come from, they have the opportunity to get a great education in an environment free from discrimination, harassment and violence.”

Courts have not settled the question of whether the nation’s sex discrimination laws apply in matters of gender identity. But administration officials, emboldened by a federal appeals court ruling in Virginia last month, think they have the upper hand. This week, the Justice Department and North Carolina sued each other over a state law that restricts access to bathrooms, locker rooms and changing rooms. The letter to school districts had been in the works for months, Justice Department officials said.

“A school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so,” according to the letter, a copy of which was provided to The New York Times.

A school’s obligation under federal law “to ensure nondiscrimination on the basis of sex requires schools to provide transgender students equal access to educational programs and activities even in circumstances in which other students, parents, or community members raise objections or concerns,” the letter states. “As is consistently recognized in civil rights cases, the desire to accommodate others’ discomfort cannot justify a policy that singles out and disadvantages a particular class of students.”

As soon as a child’s parent or legal guardian asserts a gender identity for the student that “differs from previous representations or records,” the letter says, the child is to be treated accordingly — without any requirement for a medical diagnosis or birth certificate to be produced. It says that schools may — but are not required to — provide other restroom and locker room options to students who seek “additional privacy” for whatever reason.

President Obama during a news conference at the White House last week. Credit Zach Gibson/The New York Times
Attached to the letter, the Obama administration will include a 25-page document describing “emerging practices” that are already in place in many schools around the country. Those included installing privacy curtains or allowing students to change in bathroom stalls.

In a blog post accompanying the letter, senior officials at the Justice and Education departments said they issued it in response to a growing chorus of inquiries from educators, parents and students across the country, including from the National Association of Secondary School Principals, to clarify their obligations and “best practices” for the treatment of transgender students.

“Schools want to do right by all of their students and have looked to us to provide clarity on steps they can take to ensure that every student is comfortable at their school, is in an environment free of discrimination, and has an opportunity to thrive,” wrote Catherine E. Lhamon, the assistant secretary of education for civil rights, and Vanita Gupta, head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division.

Thomas Aberli, a high school principal in Louisville, Ky., said the new guidance would help administrators across the country who are trying to determine the best way to establish safe and inclusive schools. He said his school had little to work with when it drafted a policy that was put in place last year.

“What you don’t do is go and tell a kid, ‘You know, there is something so freakishly different about you that you make other people uncomfortable, so we’re going to make you do something different,” said Mr. Aberli, who estimated that his school of 1,350 students had about a half-dozen transgender children. “There’s been no incident since its implementation. It’s really just a nonissue in our school.”

The White House has called North Carolina’s law “meanspirited,” and said this week that federal agencies were continuing a review of their policies on the treatment of transgender people while the administration waged its legal battle with the state.

President Obama condemned the law last month, saying it was partly the result of politics and “emotions” that people had on the issue.

“When it comes to respecting the equal rights of all people, regardless of sexual orientation, whether they’re transgender or gay or lesbian, although I respect their different viewpoints, I think it’s very important for us not to send signals that anybody is treated differently,” Mr. Obama said at a news conference in London.

The struggle over the rights of transgender people has reverberated on the presidential campaign trail and become a defining issue in the final year of Mr. Obama’s tenure, prompting boycotts of North Carolina by some celebrities and businesses that had planned to create jobs there. The fresh guidance to be issued on Friday seemed certain to intensify that debate, and showed that Mr. Obama and his administration intend to press the issue of transgender rights aggressively as the legal challenge unfolds.

The Justice Department has for years made gay and transgender issues centerpieces of its civil rights agenda. Former Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. described that campaign as a continuation of the civil rights era that brought equal rights to African-Americans. And this week, Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch, spoke passionately to transgender people as she cast the lawsuit against North Carolina in historic terms.

“We stand with you,” she said. “And we will do everything we can to protect you going forward. Please know that history is on your side.”

Some Republicans have defended North Carolina’s law by arguing that it would be inappropriate to allow transgender women to use the same bathroom as young girls. Before ending his presidential bid last week, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas charged that Donald J. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, and Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee, “both agree that grown men should be allowed to use the little girls’ restroom.”
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petegz28 08:58 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Correct. Equal rights for all citizens.
I agree. And by that I mean you have every right to dress or act how you choose as long as you don't harm anyone else. But you do not have the right to say you're a woman when you are a male. Just like I don't have the right to say I am a black person when I am white, etc. Otherwise we start changing laws based on the world of pretend and not reality.

If you are a TG and you have a medical emergency are they going to treat you based on your anatomy or your feelings?

It's that freaking simple.
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Lex Luthor 08:58 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
I've seen several people in this thread, most notably Lex Luthor, suggest that Obama is harming LGBT rights by doing this.

I've seen no explanation as to how.

Can somebody explain that to me? It doesn't compute.
I think Sully summed it up pretty succinctly, perhaps more succinctly than I did:

Originally Posted by Sully:
It seems our President hasn't quite learned the advice, "When you're winning an argument is when you stop arguing."
I've heard this put another way: "Stop selling after the close".

Obama isn't helping the cause by throwing gasoline on the fire. I think the better strategy would have been to stay the course and let public pressure force states like North Carolina to stop passing punitive and discriminatory laws. Obama didn't give the strategy a chance to work. Instead he is now inspiring the opposition to rally the troops and prepare for battle.
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Pennywise 09:01 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop:
Thank goodness he is tackling the big issues. ****ing worthless pice of shit. Have we started a bullet fund?
Exactly. The affirmative action presidential experiment is almost over. I think now he's basically looking around to see what else he can fuck up, ruin, take away, or completely destroy.
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Direckshun 09:05 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor:
I've heard this put another way: "Stop selling after the close".

Obama isn't helping the cause by throwing gasoline on the fire. I think the better strategy would have been to stay the course and let public pressure force states like North Carolina to stop passing punitive and discriminatory laws. Obama didn't give the strategy a chance to work. Instead he is now inspiring the opposition to rally the troops and prepare for battle.
You think the anti-transgendered folks were sitting on their ass prior to this, and that Obama's EO is going to spring them into action?
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BlackHelicopters 09:06 AM 05-13-2016
The voices in my head are really chattering today. Schizophrenia with psychoses .
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BigRedChief 09:30 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by LOCOChief:
See I don't get this? Your support for Hillary is a direct contradiction to your support of the second amendment. Those two things don't work together much like trans-genders and student bathrooms. I'm not trying to be snarky just can't see how you can say you support both. Maybe you're not aware of her position on guns but if you are how does that match up with what you claim to support?
I support the constitution. I've had this same position since High School.

I can back not being able to walk into a store and have a right to buy automatic weapons, bazookas, 50K rounds of ammo etc. Thats not curtailing anyone's right to have a gun. You want to have 10 AR-15's knock yourself out. 100 pistols, cool.

I only support Hillary because I feel that Donald Trump is a danger to the USA. I never agree with a Presidential candidate on every issue.

I don't see even a liberal SCOTUS taking away the right to own a gun. The 2nd amendment of the constitution is clear. There is no fuzziness.
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Shaid 09:33 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Correct. Equal rights for all citizens.
This isn't equal. I understand why you believe that but you are wrong. When someone is born with a certain genetic make-up and choose to identify as another, that is a choice. This isn't the same as gay marriage. That doesn't infringe upon my rights to get married. I don't think the govt. should tell people they can't get married. Now, I don't think the govt. can tell a church that they need to marry gay people either. That would infringe upon the church's right to freedom of religion.

This enables criminals to use the law to their advantage. When my 9 year old goes into the women's bathroom at the mall, am I supposed to go in with her to ensure there isn't some pervert in there? How does that make the women feel when I walk in? Do I take her into the men's bathroom where she might see guys going to the bathroom in urinals? How do I ensure she is protected without infringing on other people's right to privacy?

I'd be interested on where you fall on gun rights? Do you support limitations?
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Halfcan 09:33 AM 05-13-2016
Is this country so stupid that they don't know what bathroom to use now?

Do they need to put a giant D-for Dick on the door and a Giant V. for Vagina?

If you do not have a Dick right now-do not use the D. bathroom-does not matter if you don't have one Yet, but planning to get one-Do not use.

If you do have a Dick but feel you should have been born with a Vagina- does not matter-you have a Dick use bathroom marked D. Even if you dress like a woman, feel like a woman inside-You have a Dick-use bathroom D.

If you have neither because you or someone else cut your Dick off-please use bathroom D. as that was your latest sex.

If you do not have a Vagina-stay out of the V. bathroom you freak pervert.
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Shaid 09:38 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I support the constitution. I've had this same position since High School.

I can back not being able to walk into a store and have a right to buy automatic weapons, bazookas, 50K rounds of ammo etc. Thats not curtailing anyone's right to have a gun. You want to have 10 AR-15's knock yourself out. 100 pistols, cool.

I only support Hillary because I feel that Donald Trump is a danger to the USA. I never agree with a Presidential candidate on every issue.

I don't see even a liberal SCOTUS taking away the right to own a gun. The 2nd amendment of the constitution is clear. There is no fuzziness.
lol, ok you answered while I was typing. Limitations on guns is something you support from a protection standpoint. Essentially you say that you don't want people to have access because of what could potentially happen. However, you don't see the possibility of what could potentially happen if we allow men into the women's bathroom. You stand on the right of the person when it fits your view. You contradict yourself and that contradiction makes your views invalid.
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cosmo20002 09:44 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor:
Before this EO by Obama, the Left could attempt to take the moral high ground on this issue. They could say that states like North Carolina are the ones causing the problem by passing idiotic and unnecessary laws that encourage harassment and discrimination. They could correctly point out that North Carolina is trying to "fix" something that isn't broken.

Now Obama has totally ****ed up that strategy. He is forcing everyone to take an aggressive position in one camp or the other. As I said, he seems determined to start a civil war over this.

Typical Obama strategy. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else, and he is willing to use whatever tools are at his disposal to impose his will on everyone, instead of using the political process to find a compromise that won't thrill anybody but will satisfy nearly everybody.

Thanks Obama. :-):-):-):-):-)
Geez...take a breath, dude.
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OmahaChief 09:47 AM 05-13-2016
So I can now throw on a wig and shower with the girls. Hell I guess I don't even need to have a wig I just have to identify myself as a woman. What kind of effed up crap is that. If you don't think freakshows will not exploit this you are kidding yourself.
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LOCOChief 09:51 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:

I don't see even a liberal SCOTUS taking away the right to own a gun. The 2nd amendment of the constitution is clear. There is no fuzziness.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...-day-in-office
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Donger 09:51 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by OmahaChief:
So I can now throw on a wig and shower with the girls. Hell I guess I don't even need to have a wig I just have to identify myself as a woman. What kind of effed up crap is that. If you don't think freakshows will not exploit this you are kidding yourself.
Which is why I asked what I did. I can't help but notice that the proponents of this haven't answered, either. They probably didn't think that much about it, in their race to make themselves feel better about being tolerant.
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BigRedChief 09:56 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by Shaid:
lol, ok you answered while I was typing. Limitations on guns is something you support from a protection standpoint.
The constitution doesn't specify every American the right to automatic weapons and bazookas. 99% of Americas think we should restrict access to automatic weapons and bazookas.

My position on guns hasn't changed in 40 years.

You want to call me a hypocrite......Whatever dude.
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BigRedChief 10:00 AM 05-13-2016
Originally Posted by LOCOChief:
https://www.nraila.og/articles/20160429/hillary-clinton-to-attack-gun-owners-her-very-first-day-in-office
This is just a fear mongering article on the NRA's website.

How exactly has she proposed taking away the right of gun ownership?
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