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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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BigCatDaddy 09:46 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Had a lockdown been instituted in New York two weeks earlier the death rate would have been 80-90% lower, yet people are bitching about there not being enough hospitalizations and deaths in their locales.

I don't even know how this is an argument.
It was the basis for the entire shutdown. We have had about 2 hospitalizations in over month. We aren't over running shit yet if a few cases pop up, people panic and scream at the sky to "SHUT IT DOWN".

Now given its mostly idiots posting on our local news FB pages, but still.
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DaFace 09:46 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
"Hope" is not a realistic strategy for large scale events, restaurants, gyms, haircut establishments and other businesses that some want to remain closed or at reduced capacity until there is a vaccine.

There may not be a scalable/effective vaccine for several years or ever.

Herd immunity is a more realistic strategy.
It's not that you're wrong, it's just that the implications of that are dire. If that's our only hope, we're looking at 250k deaths at an absolute minimum, and likely far higher than that.
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dirk digler 09:54 AM 04-28-2020
Thanks to that CDC site you can look at the different models besides the IHME one.

This one you can look at the R0 estimate and actual for every state.

https://covid19-projections.com/infections-tracker/
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Bugeater 09:57 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
We all know this is going to pass through just about everyone, eventually. People will die, and it sucks, but we can't hide from this forever.

By isolating ourselves we've given the hospitals a chance to take in the people that need care at a somewhat controlled rate. By some miracle a vaccine will be developed (not holding my breath) that will protect everyone.

It is possible.......sit down for this........that both sides of the argument are correct. Distancing and herd mentality work.
Yes sir. I've said over and over that there's a balance in there somewhere and this post outlines so simply and perfectly it should be placed in the OP.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You'll only get a huge spike if you completely open things up and disregard distancing and hygiene recommendations.

You don't need enough people to get it to develop herd immunity (which lasts 1-2 years with every other known coronavirus in humans), you need to establish practices that reduce the effective R to the point where the virus doesn't spread easily.

If the R0 is 3 without any measures in place, you'd need 2/3 of the population to get the virus. If you have a system in place of mask wearing and hand washing and you can reduce the R to less than one, the virus dies out. If you can only reduce it to 1.5, then you only need 1/3 of the population to get the virus. That's a difference of 110 million infections even with an Re of 1.5. With an IFR of only 0.2 (and it's likely higher than that by a fair number), that's 220,000 fewer deaths.
But once again...everyone needs to play along and the key will be how to deal with those who don't.
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limested 09:57 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
"Hope" is not a realistic strategy for large scale events, restaurants, gyms, haircut establishments and other businesses that some want to remain closed or at reduced capacity until there is a vaccine.

There may not be a scalable/effective vaccine for several years or ever.

Herd immunity is a more realistic strategy.
With a needed rate of 70% immunity to achieve herd immunity a working vaccine is basically a necessity to achieve it.
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Discuss Thrower 09:57 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Thanks to that CDC site you can look at the different models besides the IHME one.

This one you can look at the R0 estimate and actual for every state.

https://covid19-projections.com/infections-tracker/
"One interesting thing to note is that the 5 states with the lowest initial R0 estimates also happen to be the 5 least densely-populated states in the US: Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, and Wyoming. Our model has zero knowledge of population density, yet it was able to indirectly deduce that from the R0."
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wazu 09:59 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Inflammatory damage to the body is not always seen instantly. Who knows if covid damage done in a young person today doesn’t come back to haunt then down the road .
Sorry, but "who knows?" isn't enough cause for isolating people, especially young people that from all evidence are at very, very low risk.
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Discuss Thrower 10:02 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by wazu:
Sorry, but "who knows?" isn't enough cause for isolating people, especially young people that from all evidence are at very, very low risk.
Implication being the risk of the unforeseen is so great we must shelter in place indefinitely.
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Bugeater 10:04 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Implication being the risk of the unforeseen is so great we must shelter in place indefinitely.
Or move to Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, or Wyoming.
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Discuss Thrower 10:06 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Or move to Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, or Wyoming.
Hell, if we're all going to be out of jobs and shit to do then might as well live in a pretty part of the country.
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Donger 10:07 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Thanks to that CDC site you can look at the different models besides the IHME one.

This one you can look at the R0 estimate and actual for every state.

https://covid19-projections.com/infections-tracker/
That's claiming that the present R0 in every state is sub-1?
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Discuss Thrower 10:09 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
That's claiming that the present R0 in every state is sub-1?
Spoiler!

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TLO 10:09 AM 04-28-2020
NOW JOHN HOPKINS MOVED IT BACK TO 343. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO TO ME
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Monticore 10:12 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by wazu:
Sorry, but "who knows?" isn't enough cause for isolating people, especially young people that from all evidence are at very, very low risk.
I am not saying that is the answer just saying because you get it and recover doesn't mean no damage was done.
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Pablo 10:12 AM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Kansas City's broader metro area is roughly 80% of the population of St. Louis's.

Shouldn't their case numbers be a lot closer?
Nah, everyone knows KC>>>STL in every single fashion, so I'm not surprised.
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