Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Bowser:
The best line from that video - "You quarantine the sick, not the healthy."
And before anyone jumps on them for saying that, both doctors agree that in the beginning before they had any hard numbers that quarantining was the right move. But now that they have numbers and can see patterns, it really isn't.
The problem is we don't know who is sick. Asymptomatic people can spread this, so that doesn't work.
They're treating it like Sars Cov 1 and that doesn't work with this one. With that one, you were only contagious when you had symptoms. This one is different. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
The problem is we don't know who is sick. Asymptomatic people can spread this, so that doesn't work.
They're treating it like Sars Cov 1 and that doesn't work with this one. With that one, you were only contagious when you had symptoms. This one is different.
Viruses have been spread by asymptomatic people for ages. Herd immunity is essential in any society and for some reason with this thing, we don't think that's important. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
Viruses have been spread by asymptomatic people for ages. Herd immunity is essential in any society and for some reason with this thing, we don't think that's important.
Asymptomatic spread isn't normal for viruses. Usually the viral load isnt' high enough to be "spreading" until you have symptoms.
Everyone thinks herd immunity is important. It's the only way out of this via a vaccine or naturally. We aren't likely close to that yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Asymptomatic spread isn't normal for viruses. Usually the viral load isnt' high enough to be "spreading" until you have symptoms.
Everyone thinks herd immunity is important. It's the only way out of this via a vaccine or naturally. We aren't likely close to that yet.
These guys would disagree with your opinion, especially considering we have not yet come up with a vaccine for any COVID virus. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
These guys would disagree with your opinion, especially considering we have not yet come up with a vaccine for any COVID virus.
That we are already at or close to herd immunity? If that were the case all these serology tests would have to be alot higher than they are I would think.
According to the doctors in the video, asymptomatic spreading IS normal. It's also a good thing because people who are asymptomatic are carrying weaker mutations of the strain. It's better to spread those mutations than the dealy ones.
I wish you you and Hamas would knock it off with the stupid shit about RCT. You don't need an RCT for every single fucking thing, especially when none are available. People take thousands of calculated risks with incomplete information every single day. Just because there's no RCT doesn't mean the information is invalid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lurker:
According to the doctors in the video, asymptomatic spreading IS normal. It's also a good thing because people who are asymptomatic are carrying weaker mutations of the strain. It's better to spread those mutations than the dealy ones.
I wish you you and Hamas would knock it off with the stupid shit about RCT. You don't need an RCT for every single ****ing thing, especially when none are available. People take thousands of calculated risks with incomplete information every single day. Just because there's no RCT doesn't mean the information is invalid.
I'm not sure what RCT means here?
If the asymptomatic people had a weaker mutated virus and were spreading it that would be ideal, but I haven't read anywhere thats the case? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lurker:
According to the doctors in the video, asymptomatic spreading IS normal. It's also a good thing because people who are asymptomatic are carrying weaker mutations of the strain. It's better to spread those mutations than the dealy ones.
I wish you you and Hamas would knock it off with the stupid shit about RCT. You don't need an RCT for every single ****ing thing, especially when none are available. People take thousands of calculated risks with incomplete information every single day. Just because there's no RCT doesn't mean the information is invalid.
Normal with SARS? As O.city mentioned, SARS v1.0 wasn't spread asymptomatically, and that's likely why didn't see anything like this with it.
Perhaps these doctors aren't aware of that fact. [Reply]
Okay back to a bit of commons sense. Our hospitals are not being overrun so why have we not opened up things like elective surgeries? This is the kind of shit I am talking about. We didn't get what we were told were going to get. Why at this point irrelevant. Quit laying off all the doctors and nursers and leaving people with very real medical conditions sitting at home to suffer. [Reply]