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The Lounge>So are the Chiefs getting better or worse this offseason:
DTVietnam 06:42 PM 03-12-2019
Signed:

Hyde
Mathieu
some brokedick Cowboys LB
Spag

Lost:

Berry
Mitch
Houston
Ford
Nelson
Ware
D. Harris
Sutton


Its still early in FA ..hopefully they make a big move at CB
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Rausch 10:48 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Willie Lanier:
You guys keep saying this as if we're only going to have 9 guys on defense...

I just fail to understand the hate of a newly crafted 43 defense.

Houston was and always will be one of my favorite Chiefs

Ford was a specialist (and a damn good good one)

They're gone.

It sucks but it's the cost of transition...

The defense performs as a unit; it does not perform based on individual accomplishments

Everyone take a breath and wait to see how the UNIT comes together
We are also clearly NOT EVEN INTO free agency yet.

People are actually complaining about not adding talent in a free agency period that HASN'T FUCKING STARTED YET.

The fuck people...
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Sannyasi 10:50 PM 03-12-2019
The moves don't make sense to me. Why overpay for Honey Badger if you are just going to gut the pass rush? Are we trying to win now or build for the future? Because we could have tagged Ford and brought back one of the best pass rushers in the league without signing him to a long term contract. I might feel more confident if I had more faith in Spags, but I'm just not convinced that he's some genius DC that's going to turn things around. He's competent, but if we have to spend years rebuilding the D just to end up with a competent defense, that's not going to be good enough.

And if none of our current players fit in the 4-3, then it raises the question of why are switching to the 4-3 in the first place. This isn't the Herm Edwards Chiefs, we were one of the best teams in the league last year.
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htismaqe 10:53 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Sannyasi:
Because we could have tagged Ford and brought back one of the best pass rushers in the league without signing him to a long term contract.
And if he gets hurt again? You spent $16M of your 2019 cap on zilch. Mathieu is going to likely cost 7 to 8 million against the cap, leaving you room to get more players.
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htismaqe 10:55 PM 03-12-2019
By the way, I get blasted today for using "hyperbole".

Somebody want to tell me on what planet Dee Ford and "one of the best pass rushers in the league" isn't hyperbole?

The dude had a great SEASON no doubt. He's not a top 5 pass rusher in the league until he does it again.
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Rausch 11:02 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Sannyasi:
The moves don't make sense to me. Why overpay for Honey Badger if you are just going to gut the pass rush? Are we trying to win now or build for the future?
The Badger is young and under contract for 3 years. He can also play FS, SS, and slot CB.

I thought the bottom had fallen out of the S market but clearly I was dead wrong about that. If it's going back up Badger won't be overpaid in year 3.

And keep in mind how young this defense is now.

People want to build through the draft and then when our GM finally commits to doing it the right way the tears flow about not signing over priced guys.
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T-post Tom 11:02 PM 03-12-2019
Too early to say, but optimistic. GO VEACH!
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Rausch 11:04 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:

The dude had a great SEASON no doubt. He's not a top 5 pass rusher in the league until he does it again.
He had one good year.

A year in which Houston and Jones attracted all the attention AND COST HIS TEAM A SUPER BOWL.
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Rausch 11:04 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by T-post Tom:
Too early to say, but optimistic. GO VEACH!
Exactly.
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Eleazar 11:05 PM 03-12-2019
The only loss that might hurt us in the immediate future is Ford, but the defense was already pathetic even with him.
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Rausch 11:09 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
The only loss that might hurt us in the immediate future is Ford, but the defense was already pathetic even with him.
At worst our 31st defense this year will be paid like a 31st defense.

And I don't think that will be the case.

With Ford and Houston gone we gained 30 million in cap and a 2nd round pick.
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Bugeater 11:10 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
By the way, I get blasted today for using "hyperbole".

Somebody want to tell me on what planet Dee Ford and "one of the best pass rushers in the league" isn't hyperbole?

The dude had a great SEASON no doubt. He's not a top 5 pass rusher in the league until he does it again.
OOOH I KNOW.....CHIEFS PLANET!
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JakeF 11:13 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
Are you predicting that they'll fall all the way to 32nd (from 31st) next year?
Predicting that our current defense will let offenses stay on the field forever to keep Mahomes on the bench.

Things aren't over, but Veach better have an outstanding draft. Unless you think we are going to be really active during the rest of free agency?

We could, I don't know how much money and cap space we still have.

Who knows, maybe we have a decent amount of cap space left and we will find a couple of quality starters for our defense before the draft. Maybe Veach will prove that he was all the brains and Dorsey was just a dumb punk riding his coattails. Maybe we will draft 4 starters for our defense and a stud left guard/center.

Super Bowl 2019!!!


Maybe, we still got screwed in the Ford trade. Nothing changes that.
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htismaqe 11:15 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by JakeF:
Maybe, we still got screwed in the Ford trade. Nothing changes that.
Kind of like getting screwed on the Marcus Peters trade, right? You know the guy that fell so far that the Rams had to adjust their scheme to cover him up.

:-)
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Frazod 11:17 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
The only loss that might hurt us in the immediate future is Ford, but the defense was already pathetic even with him.
Yeah, it's sort of like Snow White mourning the loss of the tallest dwarf.
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JakeF 11:18 PM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
The only loss that might hurt us in the immediate future is Ford, but the defense was already pathetic even with him.
It's going to be more pathetic if we don't do anything else.

Houston was a top-3 defensive player for us last year. He held the edge and got to the QB. He was very solid on a really shitty defense. Ford wasn't solid but he was wild and productive.

Putting up top-7 pass rushing numbers this year MAKES Dee Ford a top defensive pass rusher in the NFL. That's the way it works.

Ford put up better numbers than Khalil Mack and we traded him for a 2nd round pick next year when we don't know where it will be. At least this year it would have been the 2nd pick of the round.
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