Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
I remember people spent first 2 years saying Master Beatty needed time to "clean up Weis' mess". I reminded them Fat Man went to a bowl game years 2&4. Then they'd tapout
Haven't seen those folks much lately. Beaty is year 4, and they made zero progress. That's hard to do
Not only has there been no progress, I would say there has actually been regression. [Reply]
Okay, so full disclosure - I came into this thread to just laaaaaaugh and laaaugh and laugh.
But g'damn - the state that Weis left that program in is tragic. It would truly be laughing at a disabled kid at that point. There's pretty much no way imaginable for Beaty to have built that team into anything in less than 5 years.
The scholarship issue is enormous and I had no idea just how bare bones that roster was. Frankly, they're probably still 3-4 years away from even having a full scholarship roster. It's just damn near impossible to build back up to 85 scholarships when you're getting your ass kicked with walk-ons and hoping to keep 20 of your 25 'new' scholarships every season.
Beatty has that number closer to respectable now but still pretty lousy.
I think all high level coaches in any sport don't need a reason to be fired - they need a reason to be retained. And in fairness, it's hard to find reasons that Beatty should be retained at this point. The best you can say is that it's damn near impossible for him to have succeeded....but it's undeniable that he really didn't succeed.
He should probably be fired but holy shit - he never really had a prayer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Okay, so full disclosure - I came into this thread to just laaaaaaugh and laaaugh and laugh.
But g'damn - the state that Weis left that program in is tragic. It would truly be laughing at a disabled kid at that point. There's pretty much no way imaginable for Beaty to have built that team into anything in less than 5 years.
The scholarship issue is enormous and I had no idea just how bare bones that roster was. Frankly, they're probably still 3-4 years away from even having a full scholarship roster. It's just damn near impossible to build back up to 85 scholarships when you're getting your ass kicked with walk-ons and hoping to keep 20 of your 25 'new' scholarships every season.
Beatty has that number closer to respectable now but still pretty lousy.
I think all high level coaches in any sport don't need a reason to be fired - they need a reason to be retained. And in fairness, it's hard to find reasons that Beatty should be retained at this point. The best you can say is that it's damn near impossible for him to have succeeded....but it's undeniable that he really didn't succeed.
He should probably be fired but holy shit - he never really had a prayer.
Don't buy the bullshit you read. It's all bullshit. Nobody wants to pick on a loser. But life has losers too.
1. Master Beatty gave only 11 schillies to HS last year and only 7 this year. That's a joke and is a copy of Chunky Chollie.
2. Fat Man won the Orange Bowl year 6. Of his 24 starters, only 1 was a juco (a no-name OL Hartley) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
The Monday After: There are plenty of options but no easy answers for Kansas football
Tom Fornelli
@TomFornelli
David Beaty is probably going to get fired.
It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. When you look at the situation the Kansas coach finds himself in, it seems like an outcome that will be nearly impossible to avoid. Kansas lost to FCS Nicholls State on Saturday in its season opener, dropping Beaty's record at Kansas to 3-34. Now in his fourth season with the Jayhawks, Beaty has lost more games to FCS opponents (two) than he's won against FBS opponents (one, Texas in 2016). He's gone 1-32 against FBS teams and is 1-26 against the Big 12.
He also finds himself with a new boss. Kansas hired Jeff Long to be its athletic director in July, replacing Sheahon Zenger. Long came to Kansas after serving as athletic director at Arkansas for 10 years and had been at Pittsburgh for five years prior. He also served as the first chairman of the College Football Playoff Selection Committee. Now, he's tasked with maintaining Kansas' basketball tradition and solving its football tradition. There generally aren't many athletic directors who inherit a football coach with Beaty's record at a school and decide, "I'm going to keep him around."
For better or worse, the fate of an athletic director is usually tied to that of their football coach. Even at basketball schools.
So, yeah, Beaty is probably going to get fired.
That doesn't mean he should be, however, and this is the dilemma currently facing Long. There is no easy answer to the question, "How do you fix Kansas football?"
While Beaty's record at Kansas is awful, and the Jayhawks have become a running joke nationally, the general public isn't aware of the situation Beaty inherited in Lawrence, Kansas. As The Athletic's Max Olson did a terrific job of cataloging over the summer, Beaty inherited a roster in worse shape than most teams deal with after suffering NCAA sanctions.
Remember when the NCAA hit USC with sanctions after the Reggie Bush case? The biggest punishment was limiting the Trojans to 75 scholarship players on the roster. When the NCAA initially punished Penn State in the wake of Jerry Sandusky (penalties that were later reduced), it limited Penn State to 65 scholarship players.
David Beaty's first Kansas team had 38 scholarship players in 2015. Thirty. Eight.
While it's not clear how many the Jayhawks have on their roster in 2018, Beaty's fourth year with the program, he was hoping to have 70 scholarship players by now, many of whom began as walk-ons and earned scholarships.
Since you're only allowed to bring in 25 scholarship players per recruiting class and there's always attrition, it could be at least another three years before Kansas has 85 scholarship players.
So, if Kansas continues its struggles for the rest of 2018 while dealing with an undermanned roster, Long has to consider quite a few different factors. Would it truly be fair to Beaty to fire him for the results given the massive rebuilding project he inherited from Charlie Weis' disastrous tenure? And more importantly, while it's easy to fire Beaty, who exactly would Long bring in to replace him?
There's a reason Beaty is in Lawrence in the first place.
After Kansas fired Mark Mangino, it hired Turner Gill, who lasted two seasons before getting replaced by Weis, who is mostly responsible for the scholarship situation Beaty is trying to solve. His short-sighted approach of heavily recruiting junior college players put Kansas in this roster crunch.
When Kansas fired Weis, it ended up with Beaty, who wasn't some hotshot coordinator at the time but the wide receivers coach at Texas A&M. He was known more for his recruiting than his coaching acumen. The reason Kansas hired him was that it hoped his recruiting would help solve the problem, but it was also partially due to the fact Beaty was willing to take the job.
If Kansas fires Beaty, who is going to want the job? Who will want to take over not only the worst Power Five program in the country but one in need of a massive rebuild located in an area of the country without a fertile recruiting base?
That's another question Long needs to have an answer for before he decides to fire Beaty.
And when it comes to Kansas football, there are no easy answers.
That's not remotely close to what Rustin Dodd reported 7/9/15:
The KU football program enters the fall with just 64 players on scholarship — 21 scholarships under the maximum of 85 allowed by NCAA rules. The Jayhawks will likely add a few scholarship transfers before the beginning of the season, but here is a look at how Kansas got to this point — including some major attrition in the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Don't buy the bullshit you read. It's all bullshit. Nobody wants to pick on a loser. But life has losers too.
1. Master Beatty gave only 11 schillies to HS last year and only 7 this year. That's a joke and is a copy of Chunky Chollie.
2. Fat Man won the Orange Bowl year 6. Of his 24 starters, only 1 was a juco (a no-name OL Hartley)
Yeah, he thought he would have a better chance to save his job. He equated more juco guys to a couple more wins thinking maybe he could win 3 or 4 and make it appear to the administration he was "on to something". [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Pooka Williams (4 star true freshman - RB) sighting.
He has already shown he’s the best RB we have if you ignore pass protection.
But a classic Beaty end to the half. We score our first TD, then he promptly pulls Bender, not after he made several horrendous throws earlier, but after a pretty nice pass for the TD. Then on fourth down at CMU 40 with 10 seconds left he punts!?!? I guarantee you the odds are that us throwing a Hail Mary running out the clock has less of a chance to allow them to score than them blocking the punt. Nearly blocked and the kicker may be injured. Just a baffling display of coaching as always. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ:
He has already shown he’s the best RB we have if you ignore pass protection.
But a classic Beaty end to the half. We score our first TD, then he promptly pulls Bender, not after he made several horrendous throws earlier, but after a pretty nice pass for the TD. Then on fourth down at CMU 40 with 10 seconds left he punts!?!? I guarantee you the odds are that us throwing a Hail Mary running out the clock has less of a chance to allow them to score than them blocking the punt. Nearly blocked and the kicker may be injured. Just a baffling display of coaching as always.