I never said the things in bold. Piracy hurts some artists...it steals money from them. To me , there's not that much of a difference between stealing money over the internet and stealing it out of someone's wallet. Money is money....

I don't really care if it is technically not the same, in the real world it is just money that would be there that isn't...and it is taking something that doesn't belong to you.

If a thief comes into my yard and takes something that isn't worth any money (which they have)...its still stealing....even if they would've never bought it...

To sit there and claim its not theft because they never would've bought the item is stupid. Tell that to a store where some douche bag goes in and steals something they can't afford and wouldn't have bought anyway...even though the store has insurance and isn't financially harmed...IT IS STILL STEALING. It is still wrong......if we cant agree on that , (taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong) then no point in further conversation really.
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Yes, there's nothing in between "horrible advice" and "awesome advice that means you are super great, therefore i am humbled and you must think youre smarter than me"..

that's how morons like you think: black and white, overly simplistic, no grey area., no room for differing opinion.....etc..

thanks for further demonstrating what an imbecile you are
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No, it's not the same as stealing. It's a different thing. It's not money that would be there that isn't. It's not sneaking into someone's yard and taking something.

It's illegal, but it's merely your opinion that it's wrong. It's certainly not wrong in the same way theft is wrong for reasons already mentioned.
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its the stealing of the intellectual property....I'm not even talking about the money as I explained. They are stealing your art. The money aspect is secondary...yet still important. I think taking things that don't belong to you is wrong. Period. Even if there is no actual monetary damage....I know there are people out there who disagree....thats fine...its just my opinion.

The money is another issue because we will never know what percent of the people who steal music or movies would actually buy them legitimately. But even thought its not 100% (obviously) we probably can guess it is greater than zero, so as you said before it is hurting some artists, but not all. Just because it only hurts 'some' people doesnt make it OK or not wrong...its wrong. If you were an artist whose income relied on revenue from your hard work, you would think it was wrong also...I'm pretty sure.
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By the way, everyone has done things that are wrong...Speeding , driving after a drink or 2, not reporting taxes properly, downloading stuff illegally etc...I'm not here to enforce some crazy perfectionist viewpoint where it is expected no one do anything wrong...

I'm just stating a basic fact that taking things that don't belong to you is wrong.(even if it doesnt cause them any immediate financial loss)..to pretend that it isn't seems a little crazy to me
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I understand what you're saying. You're saying it's the same as stealing. I'm saying it's not. You're saying it's inherently wrong (as opposed to wrong simply because it's illegal). I'm saying it's not. We both agree that it's illegal.
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yeah that about sums it up, although the act is not the 'same' as stealing a physical item technically, as you are just stealing a digital item or image or video...but the wrongness is the same so saying its 'the same' as stealing is probably an oversimplification by me...but basically yes
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No, the wrongness is not the same and it's not a mere technicality.

I thought you said we didn't have any more to talk about if we couldn't agree?
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Its only stealing if you would have purchased it anyway. If you wouldn't have, the creator is suffering no monetary loss.
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Wut?
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thats not true

thats what i disagree with...

for example...ive had lots of people take things from me they never would have purchased that are worthless....

rocks out of my front yard
garbage can that belongs to the garbage company
data...i have had account information stolen like equifax, target credit info...etc...they never made any money with it..but still 'stolen'
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good point., so if youre saying taking images, movies and art from artists without their consent is OK, and in your own words if harming "some" artists is ok, and not wrong, then yes I disagree and theres nothing to talk about
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A lot of people download movies and games to try them out first, then if they like them they purchase them.

Then other people download shit they never had any intentions of purchasing anyway.

In these cases the people creating the work that was downloaded suffer no financial loss of sale.
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youre forgetting about a (not small) segment that downloads things that WOULD have bought them or download the item and never buys it, even though they like it

unless youre sitting here telling me 100% of the people that download movies, music, and video games and software......ALWAYS buy the item when they download it and use it / like it or would NEVER buy the item anyway if it wasnt so easy to steal

lets at least be honest here

the number of people who download stuff that wouldve bought it is not zero
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But you just can't stop. :-)
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