Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Go **** yourself. You're going back to work and your parents I am sure will be happy to have you out of the ****ing house for a while.
You still dont get it Peter just the other night you saw a prison with 80% positive tests.
You're one of those open it all up folks but what you dont mention is what happens when a small business opens up and a worker contacts the virus and not only misses a week or 2 of work what happens when other employees and customers contact the virus?
You have no answer for this and you've created a situation that's worse than the original shutdown. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
You still dont get it Peter just the other night you saw a prison with 80% positive tests.
You're one of those open it all up folks but what you dont mention is what happens when a small business opens up and a worker contacts the virus and not only misses a week or 2 of work what happens when other employees and customers contact the virus?
You have no answer for this and you've created a situation that's worse than the original shutdown.
Peters upset that school is over and he wont get to suck off his middle school PE teacher anymore. Combine that with going to big scary high school and you have a Peter that's real hard to deal with. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
You still dont get it Peter just the other night you saw a prison with 80% positive tests.
You're one of those open it all up folks but what you dont mention is what happens when a small business opens up and a worker contacts the virus and not only misses a week or 2 of work what happens when other employees and customers contact the virus?
You have no answer for this and you've created a situation that's worse than the original shutdown.
If the metrics don't change, are you prepared for a year to 18 months status quo? Because if you are saying 'we have to 'get better' somehow soon, and then we can open up' that's just wishful thinking, and if you are saying 'eventually, even if we don't 'get better' we're gonna have to open things anyway, just not now' . . . well remember the old joke about the whore. . . . [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Okay but that doesn't make us Italy. Increase does not mean 10%.
04/02 was this quote 4,780 deaths
May 2nd: 64k deaths
03/28
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Cause I don't think we are going to see 1,000's dying every day. You also said viruses don't mutate to a less virulent form which is not at all accurate.
So what I am saying is, relax a bit and don't be so quick to jump to the extreme. Even Italy at this point doesn't have 1,000's a day dying. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
If the metrics don't change, are you prepared for a year to 18 months status quo? Because if you are saying 'we have to 'get better' somehow soon, and then we can open up' that's just wishful thinking, and if you are saying 'eventually, even if we don't 'get better' we're gonna have to open things anyway, just not now' . . . well remember the old joke about the whore. . . .
I wouldnt open until we can do better testing. But some people in this thread just think we can open everything and itll improve the economy.
Aside from the situation I laid out about employees and customers getting sick what happens when for example you have 20 reported cases at your resteraunt and the one down the street has less than 5? How is that not going to drive more small business to shut down? [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Peters upset that school is over and he wont get to suck off his middle school PE teacher anymore. Combine that with going to big scary high school and you have a Peter that's real hard to deal with.
Notice anytime the mods tell 2 people to cut the shit hes always 1 of those people involved. Also let the record show I've never attacked him personally while hes lobbed several personal attacks.
Anyway I've shared what hes posted in the past with data provided to prove hes simply been wrong this whole thread.
I've offered ideas not facts but I think data will show what I've said to be more in line with how we should move along moving forward. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Notice anytime the mods tell 2 people to cut the shit hes always 1 of those people involved. Also let the record show I've never attacked him personally while hes lobbed several personal attacks.
Anyway I've shared what hes posted in the past with data provided to prove hes simply been wrong this whole thread.
I've offered ideas not facts but I think data will show what I've said to be more in line with how we should move along moving forward.
I have learned after a couple of years of interacting with Petey that the best idea is always the polar opposite of his idea. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I have learned after a couple of years of interacting with Petey that the best idea is always the polar opposite of his idea.
Yeah and theres an important distinction here. It's one thing to say the Chiefs wont even sniff the playoffs when they win the superbowl, it's a whole other thing when you state it's just the cold, masks dont work, etc. Theres lives and business that's at stake. Its important we get this right the first time or the consequences could be far more severe than we even imagine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
Good advice, thank you. Anything else I should be doing outside of hydrating, resting, and eating healthy to clear this out quicker?
Also tonight was the first time I’ve ever used a nebulizer, and it had me a bit light headed. Didn’t love it. Is that key for clearing out the lungs? I’ll use it as long as it helps, but I asked my poor Doc so many questions but I didn’t dig into the whole nebulizer machine.
The way I understood it (very limited biology knowledge) I have bronchial inflammation as well as pneumonia in my right lung. I asked if it looked like I had lung damage, like maybe from Covid prior (all the stuff I learn on here) and he politely smiled and said no, 90% chance that this treatment schedule works and I’m good to go and if not he said there were other options he could explore. I was asking catastrophic outcome questions, and he seemed rather confident whatever the tests say I’ll be alright. He did seem surprised to see the pneumonia.
Feel like an asshole commenting when you have a doctor in the thread, but if you’re using albuterol with the nebulizer, then what you described is pretty normal. Light headed, trembling/shivering, and a problem sleeping are the side effects my daughter’s respiratory therapist described. Helps raise o2 levels (not sure about pneumonia).
I saw earlier in the thread that laying in your stomach helps to force air into your lungs, but I’ll defer to the doctor about that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JakeLV:
Feel like an asshole commenting when you have a doctor in the thread, but if you’re using albuterol with the nebulizer, then what you described is pretty normal. Light headed, trembling/shivering, and a problem sleeping are the side effects my daughter’s respiratory therapist described. Helps raise o2 levels (not sure about pneumonia).
I saw earlier in the thread that laying in your stomach helps to force air into your lungs, but I’ll defer to the doctor about that.
Being an aerosol generating procedure I would not use the nebulizer around other people either , outside if possible i, makes you more contagious. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JakeLV:
Feel like an asshole commenting when you have a doctor in the thread, but if you’re using albuterol with the nebulizer, then what you described is pretty normal. Light headed, trembling/shivering, and a problem sleeping are the side effects my daughter’s respiratory therapist described. Helps raise o2 levels (not sure about pneumonia).
I saw earlier in the thread that laying in your stomach helps to force air into your lungs, but I’ll defer to the doctor about that.
No ones an asshole sharing information these days, we are all just trying to make sense in these uncertain times. The doses are 0.5 mg ipratropium bromide and 3 mg albuterol.
One note my doc said was key was that I bought an Oximeter early on and measured my blood oxygen levels daily, and did have some times where it was trending down around 93-94, and I had to really work oxygen deep into my lungs to get the reading consistently above 97. A lot of the lung and tissue damage seems to be happening when people’s oxygen levels are getting low <90 (?) and staying there and many don’t even realize it. If any of you don’t have one, I’d highly recommend buying one off Amazon or wherever, as it will give you a baseline to work off of as the respiratory illness progresses.
Example of one: (should be around $30bit supply/demand)
— Simon Kuestenmacher (@simongerman600) May 1, 2020
This is great. How someone spent the time making this graphic and left 'make is simple for you' is pretty unreal. Are there a lot of people who don't understand wearing a mask helps though? It seems pretty common sense. If you can understand why you'd wear a condom then you should get the basic idea. [Reply]