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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>****OFFICIAL 2019 Saccopoo CP Mock Draft Thread****
RealSNR 11:42 AM 03-09-2019
START DATE AND TIME: March 18th, noon central

RULES:

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Round 1
1. Arizona - kccrow - Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma
2. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky
3. New York Jets - staylor26 - Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio State
4. Oakland - Marco Polo - Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama
5. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Dwayne Haskins, QB, OSU
6. New York Giants - TambaBerry - Devin White, LB, LSU
7. Jacksonville - Chief Northman - Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
8. Detroit - chiefscafan - Brian Burns, EDGE, Florida State
9. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Ed Oliver, DT, Houston
10. Denver - Hoover - Rashan Gary, DT, Michigan
11. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Cody Ford, OT, Oklahoma
12. Green Bay - RealSNR - Noah Fant, TE, Iowa
13. Miami - The Franchise - Drew Lock, QB, Missouri
14. Atlanta - BossChief - Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State
15. Washington - htismaqe - Daniel Jones, QB, Duke
16. Carolina - Chargem - Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson
17. New York Giants (from Cleveland) - TambaBerry - Greedy Williams, CB, LSU
18. Minnesota - RealSNR - Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
19. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson
20. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - D.K. Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss
21. Seattle - BossChief - TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa
22. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
23. Houston - CoMoChief - DeAndre Baker, CB, Georgia
24. Oakland (from Chicago) - Marco Polo - Byron Murphy, CB, Washington
25. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State
26. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Nasir Adderley, S, Delaware
27. Oakland (from Dallas) - Marco Polo - Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida
28. Los Angeles Chargers - Sfeihc - Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State
29. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Garrett Bradbury, C, NC State
30. Green Bay (from New Orleans) - RealSNR - Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
31. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Greg Little, OT, Mississippi
32. New England - kccrow - Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State

Round 2
33. Arizona - kccrow - Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia
34. Indianapolis (from NYJ) - staylor26 - Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama
35. Oakland - Marco Polo - Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State
36. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State
37. NY Giants - TambaBerry - A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss
38. Jacksonville - Chief Northman - Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State
39. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State
40. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Irv Smith, TE, Alabama
41. Denver - Hoover - Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson
42. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Mack Wilson, ILB, Alabama
43. Detroit - chiefscafan - Taylor Rapp, S, Washington
44. Green Bay - RealSNR - Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame
45. Atlanta - BossChief - Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple
46. Washington - htismaqe - J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford
47. Carolina - Chargem - Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma
48. Miami - The Franchise - Justin Layne, CB, Michigan State
49. Cleveland - The Franchise - Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia
50. Minnesota - RealSNR - Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama
51. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Chris Lindstrom, G, Boston College
52. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - Julian Love, CB, Notre Dame
53. Philadelphia (from BAL) - Chief Northman - Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida
54. Houston (from SEA) - CoMoChief - D'Andre Walker, EDGE, Georgia
55. Houston - CoMoChief - Darnell Savage, S, Maryland
56. New England (from CHI) - kccrow - Zach Allen, DE, Boston College
57. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State
58. Dallas - Chargem - Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia
59. Indianapolis (from NYJ) - staylor26 - N’Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State
60. LA Chargers - Sfeihc - Deebo Samuel, WR, South Carolina
61. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Charles Omenihu, DE, Texas
62. New Orleans - htismaqe - Joejuan Williams, CB, Vanderbilt
63. Kansas City (from LAR) - DJ's left nut - Dre'Mont Jones, DT, OSU
64. New England - kccrow - Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State

Round 3
65. Arizona - kccrow - Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech
66. Pittsburgh (from Oakland) - chiefscafan - Tre Lamar, ILB, Clemson
67. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Darrell Henderson, RB, Memphis
68. New York Jets – staylor26 - David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin
69. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Erik McCoy, C/G, Texas A&M
70. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - L.J. Collier, DE, TCU
71. [Forfeited] New York Giants
72. Denver - Hoover - Michael Jordan, C/G, Ohio State
73. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan
74. New England (from Detroit) - kccrow - Max Scharping, OT, Northern Illinois
75. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Michael Deiter, G, Wisconsin
76. Green Bay – RealSNR - Evan Worthington, S, Colorado
77. Washington – htismaqe - Nate Davis, OG, Charlotte
78. Carolina - Chargem - Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion
79. Miami – The Franchise - Conner McGovern, OG, Penn State
80. Atlanta – BossChief - Mike Weber, RB, Ohio State
81. Cleveland – The Franchise - David Long, CB, Michigan
82. Minnesota – RealSNR - Elgton Jenkins, C, Mississippi State
83. Tennessee – MarcoPolo - Kaden Smith, TE, Stanford
84. Pittsburgh – chiefscafan - Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State
85. Seattle – BossChief - Ryan Finley, QB, North Carolina State
86. Baltimore – TambaBerry - Amani Hooker, S, Iowa
87. Houston - CoMoChief - Andy Isabella, WR, Massachusetts
88. Chicago – Rain Man - Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State
89. Detroit (from Philadelphia) - chiefscafan - Damien Harris, RB, Alabama
90. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan
91. Dallas – Chargem - Isaiah Buggs, DL, Alabama
92. Los Angeles Chargers – Sfeihc - Kaleb McGary, OT, Washington
93. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Germaine Pratt, LB, North Carolina State
94. New York Jets (from New Orleans) – staylor26 - Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB, Kentucky
95. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Jamel Dean, CB, Auburn
96. New York Giants (from New England) – TambaBerry - Will Grier, QB, West Virginia
97. Washington - htismaqe - Joe Jackson, EDGE/DE, Miami
98. New England - kccrow - Gerald Willis, DT, Miami
99. Jacksonville (from LA Rams) – Chief Northman - Joe Giles-Harris, ILB, Duke
100. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - T.J. Edwards, ILB, Wisconsin
101. Carolina - Chargem - Ben Powers, G, Oklahoma
102. New England - kccrow - Miles Boykin, WR, Notre Dame
103. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Jalen Hurd, WR, Baylor

Round 4
104. Arizona - kccrow - Khalen Saunders, DT, Western Illinois
105. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Christian Miller, EDGE, Alabama
106. NY Jets – staylor26 - Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia
107. Oakland – Marco Polo - Vosean Joseph, LB, Florida
108. Tampa Bay – Sfeihc - Tytus Howard, OT, Alabama State
109. New York Giants – TambaBerry - Will Harris, SS, Boston College
110. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Devin Singletary, RB, FAU
111. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Bobby Evans, OT, Oklahoma
112. Detroit - chiefscafan - Hunter Renfrow, WR, Clemson
113. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
114. Baltimore (from Denver) - TambaBerry - Josh Oliver, TE, San Jose State
115. Green Bay – RealSNR - Emanuel Hall, WR, Missouri
116. Carolina – Chargem - Drue Tranquill, LB, Notre Dame
117. Miami – The Franchise - Anthony Nelson, DE, Iowa
118. Atlanta - BossChief - Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State
119. Green Bay (from Washington) - RealSNR - Jordan Brown, CB, South Dakota State
120. Cleveland – The Franchise - Mike Bell, S, Fresno State
121. Minnesota - RealSNR - Renell Wren, DT, Arizona State
122. Tennessee – Marco Polo - Kelvin Harmon, WR, North Carolina State
123. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - Porter Gustin , LB/DE, USC
124. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Austin Bryant, EDGE, Clemson
125. Seattle - BossChief - Ben Banogu, EDGE, TCU
126. Denver (from Houston) - Hoover - Caleb Wilson, TE, UCLA
127. Chicago – Rain Man - Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
128. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Daniel Wise, DT, Kansas
129. Dallas - Chargem - Dawson Knox, TE, Ole Miss
130. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Armon Watts, DT, Arkansas
131. Los Angeles Chargers - Sfeihc - Isaiah Johnson, CB, Houston
132. Buffalo (from Kansas City) – DJ’s left nut - Terry McLaurin, WR, Ohio State
133. New York Giants (from New Orleans) – Tambaberry - Trey Pipkins, OT, Sioux Falls
134. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Ross Pierschbacher, G, Alabama
135. New England - kccrow - Jarrett Stidham, QB, Auburn
136. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Shareef Miller, EDGE, Penn State
137. Dallas - Chargem - Saivion Smith, CB, Alabama
138. Atlanta - BossChief - Greg Gaines, DT, Washington
139. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Chase Hansen, OLB, Utah

Round 5
140. Arizona - kccrow - David Sills, WR, West Virginia
141. Oakland (from NYJ) - Marco Polo - Benny Snell, Jr., RB, Kentucky
142. Pittsburgh (from OAK) - chiefscafan - Ryan Bates, OG, Penn State
143. NY Giants (from DET) - Tambaberry - Elijah Holyfield, RB, Georgia
144. NY Giants - Tambaberry - Jaquan Johnson, S, Miami
145. Cleveland (from JAX) - The Franchise - Trysten Hill, DT, Central Florida
146. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Maxx Crosby, EDGE, Eastern Michigan
147. Detroit - chiefscafan - Kyle Shurmur, QB, Vanderbilt
148. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Chuma Edoga, OT, USC
149. Denver - Hoover - Marvell Tell, III, S, USC
150. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Kris Boyd, CB, Texas
151. Green Bay - RealSNR - Dennis Daley, OT, South Carolina
152. Miami - The Franchise - Daylon Mack, DT, Texas A&M
153. Atlanta - BossChief - Clayton Thorson, QB, Northwestern
154. Washington - htismaqe - Andrew Wingard, S, Wyoming
155. Carolina - Chargem - Wyatt Ray, EDGE, Boston College
156. NY Giants (from CLE) - Tambaberry - Mitch Hyatt, OL, Clemson
157. Denver (from MIN) - Hoover - Tyree Jackson, QB, Buffalo
158. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Demarcus Christmas, DT, Florida State
159. Buffalo (from OAK) - DJ's left nut - Justin Hollins, EDGE, Oregon
160. Seattle - BossChief - Chris Slayton, DT, Syracuse
161. Baltimore - Tambaberry - Isaiah Prince, OL, Ohio State
162. Houston - CoMoChief - Darwin Thompson, RB, Utah State
163. Chicago - Rain Man - Cole Tracy, K, LSU
164. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - Michael Jackson, CB, Miami
165. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Beau Benzschawel, OG, Wisconsin
166. Dallas - Chargem - Sutton Smith, EDGE, Northern Illinois
167. LA Chargers - Sfeihc - Marquise Blair, S, Utah
168. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Mark Fields, CB, Clemson
169. New Orleans - htismaqe - Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame
170. LA Rams - Hoover - Terry Beckner, Jr. DT, Missouri
171. Cleveland (from NE) - The Franchise - Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington
172. NY Giants (COMP) - Tambaberry - Lil'Jordan Humphrey WR, Texas
173. Atlanta (COMP) - BossChief - William Sweet, OT, North Carolina
174. Washington (COMP) - htismaqe - Penny Hart, WR, Georgia State

Round 6
175. Arizona – kccrow - Bryce Love, RB, Stanford
176. Pittsburgh (from Oakland) – chiefscafan - Alijah Holder, CB, Stanford
177. San Francisco – CoMoChief - Dru Samia, OG, Oklahoma
178. New Orleans (from NY Jets) – htismaqe - Cortez Broughton, DL, Cincinnati
179. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Ricky Walker, DL, Virgina Tech
180. Arizona (from Tampa Bay) – kccrow - Kingsley Keke, DT, Texas A&M
181. New York Giants – Tambaberry - Kendall Sheffield, CB, Ohio St
182. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Trayveon Williams, RB, Texas A&M
183. Denver – Hoover - Andre James, OT/G, UCLA
184. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Antoine Wesley, WR, Texas Tech
185. Detroit – chiefscafan - Ryan Pope, OT, San Diego State
186. Green Bay – RealSNR - Mike Edwards, S, Kentucky
187. Atlanta – BossChief - Te’Von Coney, LB, Notre Dame
188. [Forfeited] Washington
189. Carolina – Chargem - Blace Brown, CB, Troy
190. Miami – The Franchise - Olisaemeka Udoh, OT, Elon
191. Cleveland – The Franchise - Hamp Cheevers, CB, Boston College
192. Minnesota – RealSNR - Rodney Anderson, RB, Oklahoma
193. Baltimore (from Tennessee) – Tambaberry - Carl Granderson, EDGE, Wyoming
194. Pittsburgh – chiefscafan - Zach Gentry, TE, Michigan
195. Baltimore – Tambaberry - David Long Jr., LB, West Virginia
196. Green Bay (from Seattle) – RealSNR - Isaac Nauta, TE, Georgia
197. Houston – CoMoChief - Jalen Jelks, EDGE, Oregon
198. New York Jets (from Chicago) – staylor26 - Albert Huggins, DT, Clemson
199. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Jakobi Meyers, WR, North Carolina State
200. Cincinnati (from Dallas) – Rain Man - Preston Williams, WR, Colorado State
201. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Jahlani Tavai, LB, Hawaii
202. Los Angeles Chargers – Sfeihc - Cameron Smith, LB, USC
203. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Anthony Ratliff-Williams, WR, UNC
204. New Orleans – htismaqe - Brett Rypien, QB, Boise St
205. Los Angeles Rams – Hoover - Jon'Vea Johnson, WR, Toledo
206. Detroit (from New England) – chiefscafan - Terronne Prescod, OG, North Carolina State
207. New England – kccrow - Dontavius Russell, DT, Auburn
208. Washington – htismaqe - Foster Moreau, TE, LSU
209. Pittsburgh (from Arizona) - chiefscafan - Darryl Johnson, OLB/DE, North Carolina A &T
210. Tampa Bay (from Philadelphia) – Sfeihc - Sheldrick Redwine, S, Miami
211. Minnesota – RealSNR - Drew Sample, TE, Washington
212. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Dax Raymond, TE, Utah State
213. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Easton Stick, QB, North Dakota State
214. San Francisco – CoMoChief - Jamal Peters, CB, Mississippi State
215. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Bobby Okereke, LB, Stanford
216. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Saquon Hampton, S, Rutgers

Round 7
217. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Ryquell Armstead, RB, Temple
218. Kansas City (from SF) - DJ's left nut - Stanley Morgan Jr, WR, Nebraska
219. NY Jets - staylor26 - Iosua Opeta, OG, Weber State
220. Oakland - Marco Polo - Dakota Allen, LB, Texas Tech
221. Pittsburgh (from TB) - chiefscafan - Ugochukwu Amadi, S, Oregon
222. NY Giants - Tambaberry - Jazz Ferguson, WR, Northwestern State
223. Cleveland (from JAX) - The Franchise - Khari Willis, S, Michigan State
224. Philadelphia (from DEN) - Chief Northman - Lamont Gaillard, C, Georgia
225. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Matt Gay, K, Utah
226. Detroit - chiefscafan - Tommy Sweeney, TE, Boston College
227. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Corey Ballentine, CB, Washburn
228. Green Bay - RealSNR - Shaq Calhoun, G, Mississippi State
229. Washington - htismaqe - Devine Ozigbo, RB, Nebraska
230. Carolina - Chargem - Tyler Jones, OT, NC State
231. Detroit (from MIA) - chiefscafan - Jimmy Moreland, CB, James Madison University
232. Atlanta - BossChief - Hjalte Froholdt, OG, Arkansas
233. Miami (from CLE) - The Franchise - Dexter Williams, RB, Notre Dame
234. NY Giants (from MIN) - Tambaberry - DaMarkus Lodge, WR, Ole Miss
235. Miami (from TEN) - The Franchise - Tim Ward, DE, Old Dominion
236. Cleveland (from PIT) - The Franchise - Alex Bars, OG, Notre Dame
237. Oakland (from SEA) - Marco Polo - Martez Ivey, OT, Florida
238. Jacksonville (from BAL) - Chief Northman - Lukas Denis, S, Boston College
239. Houston - CoMoChief - Xavier Crawford, CB, Central Michigan
240. Chicago - Rain Man - Montre Hartage, CB, Northwestern
241. New England (from PHI) - kccrow - Karan Higdon, RB, Michigan
242. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Darius Slayton, WR, Auburn
243. Dallas - Chargem - Ronheen Bingham, DE, Arkansas State
244. Buffalo (from LAC) - DJ's left nut - John Cominsky, DE, Charleston
245. San Francisco (from KC) - CoMoChief - Iman Marshall, CB, USC
246. New Orleans - htismaqe - Dillon Mitchell, WR, Oregon
247. NY Giants (from LAR) - Tambaberry - Gary Jennings, WR, WVU
248. New England - kccrow - Cole Holcomb, ILB, North Carolina
249. Minnesota (COMP) - RealSNR - Keesean Johnson, WR, Fresno State
250. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo
251. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Jordan Brailford, EDGE, Oklahoma St.
252. Minnesota (COMP) - RealSNR - Stephen Denmark, CB, Valdosta State
253. LA Rams (COMP) -Hoover - Nate Hall, OLB, Northwestern
254. New England (COMP) - kccrow - Nik Needham, CB, UTEP
255. Washington (COMP) - htismaqe - Malik Gant, S, Marshall
256. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland
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DJ's left nut 09:57 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by chiefforlife:
We are well aware of the needs on Defense.

Andy Reed is not the only HC to realize the fastest way to a QB is up the middle. Adding Bradbury is a need. It protects our Most Valuable Player! If he could have a similar impact as Quinton Nelson and give MVP a second or two more in the pocket, hes worth it.

I have no problem with this pick, it may not be sexy but its a need and its makes our Oline that much better.
Safety play is like 1b defense.

When it's exceptional, you notice it. If you have Ed Reed back there or Earl Thomas, that's great. You'd still rather get that exceptional play at a more critical position (literally ANY other position on the defense), but it can make a difference in a big way. It isn't wasted to have a generational level player at FS, though you'd probably rather get that at DE or CB, just as it isn't wasted to have that kind of D at 1st base, though you'd rather see it at SS or CF.

But safety play, like 1b defense, is most noticeable when it's god-awful. Mo Vaughn replacing John Olerud and Todd Zeile ruined arguably the best infield defense of all time with the circa 2000 era Mets. But the step down from Olerud to Zeile did very little. Olerud was a superlative defensive 1b, Zeile was just alright. But the way all those pieces fit together, just alright was fine. It was when just alright was replaced by goddamn abysmal that people realized they had a problem.

I think Lucas/Watts can absolutely give you 'just alright' and even Sorensen, when in a complementary role instead of trying to drag Murray and the corpse of Berry along, can give you credible play there as well. They can be Todd Zeile. They don't need to be John Olerud; they just need to not be Mo Vaughn.

FS, especially in this scheme, is a threshhold position. Even moreso with the addition of Mathieu. It just can't SUCK. Now if it turns out that CGJ is Earl Thomas, then the pick should've been him but that's a simple scouting disagreement, not an execution error. I like CGJ a lot, but I don't think he's Earl Thomas and that's why I'm not gonna put him ahead of a guy in Bradbury that I view as the premier talent at his position in this draft.
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O.city 09:59 AM 03-25-2019
I think if Adderley is there, you probably take him. He actually could be and Earl Thomas type player. Or atleast, he could be. I'll take that risk.

The others, i'm not sure. So, that being the case, i'm gonna take the C. It sucks, I admit that. I don't like it and it's not sexy.

But if you have the anchor of your OL for 5 years and he's actually a legit All Pro type C, well, that's pretty fucking valuable.
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htismaqe 10:01 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
Were you ok with the Tyson Jackson pick? Cause that's what could end up being the case here if you're dead set on taking a certain position. .
There's a chasm of difference between the #3 pick and the #29 pick. If they draft for need at #29, it's not the end of the world.
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htismaqe 10:02 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Safety play is like 1b defense.

When it's exceptional, you notice it. If you have Ed Reed back there or Earl Thomas, that's great. You'd still rather get that exceptional play at a more critical position (literally ANY other position on the defense), but it can make a difference in a big way. It isn't wasted to have a generational level player at FS, though you'd probably rather get that at DE or CB, just as it isn't wasted to have that kind of D at 1st base, though you'd rather see it at SS or CF.

But safety play, like 1b defense, is most noticeable when it's god-awful. Mo Vaughn replacing John Olerud and Todd Zeile ruined arguably the best infield defense of all time with the circa 2000 era Mets. But the step down from Olerud to Zeile did very little. Olerud was a superlative defensive 1b, Zeile was just alright. But the way all those pieces fit together, just alright was fine. It was when just alright was replaced by goddamn abysmal that people realized they had a problem.

I think Lucas/Watts can absolutely give you 'just alright' and even Sorensen, when in a complementary role instead of trying to drag Murray and the corpse of Berry along, can give you credible play there as well. They can be Todd Zeile. They don't need to be John Olerud; they just need to not be Mo Vaughn.

FS, especially in this scheme, is a threshhold position. Even moreso with the addition of Mathieu. It just can't SUCK. Now if it turns out that CGJ is Earl Thomas, then the pick should've been him but that's a simple scouting disagreement, not an execution error. I like CGJ a lot, but I don't think he's Earl Thomas and that's why I'm not gonna put him ahead of a guy in Bradbury that I view as the premier talent at his position in this draft.
I wouldn't count on Watts for anything. Dude is a walking emergency room visit.
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O.city 10:03 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
There's a chasm of difference between the #3 pick and the #29 pick. If they draft for need at #29, it's not the end of the world.
When you draft for need when there are better players on the board, it is.

The end of the 1st is usually pretty shitty because there isn't much difference in that and the 2nd and it's so much up to each teams board.

What we're arguing here is don't take a C or S just to take one, when there is a need a C and there's a blue chip center sitting there.
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Rain Man 10:04 AM 03-25-2019
Watching the Tyreek Hill highlight video in that other thread, one thing that jumped out at me was how many times Patrick Mahomes II made amazing throws as he was getting tsunami-ed by a pass rusher. It makes me want a wall of offensive linemen who can make sure that he never gets touched.

Admittedly, though, you can watch that video and see the OL getting better as the season goes on. He was getting better protection toward the end of the season. But still...I want a wall, and I want the Raiders to pay for it.
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O.city 10:05 AM 03-25-2019
If the board fell like that i'd rather trade that first rounder for someone than overdraft someone.
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DJ's left nut 10:05 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think if Adderley is there, you probably take him. He actually could be and Earl Thomas type player.

The others, i'm not sure.
Which I have also stated. More because of his overarching ability free up Mathieu by playing a similar hybrid role to Mathieu. I just don't see CGJ being quite as versatile and that put him in that high 2nd round tier rather than a true 1st round talent.

And again - he's the top of my 2nd round tier guys because I do like the guy. But I don't have a 1st round grade on him. Truth be told, Bradbury was the last 1st round guy I had and he DID fit a need.
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htismaqe 10:06 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
When you draft for need when there are better players on the board, it is.

The end of the 1st is usually pretty shitty because there isn't much difference in that and the 2nd and it's so much up to each teams board.

What we're arguing here is don't take a C or S just to take one, when there is a need a C and there's a blue chip center sitting there.
There isn't enough of a need at center to justify it, IMO. Safety is a MUCH bigger need.
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DJ's left nut 10:07 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I wouldn't count on Watts for anything. Dude is a walking emergency room visit.
Watts is my lotto ticket. I think Lucas can play FS in this scheme and do it quite well. He showed damn good range and a nose for contact. He was raw, but there's just little surprising about that. Sorensen could then be a solid #3 safety (as he has been in the past) with Mathieu being the glue that holds it together.

If Watts can stay healthy and move himself into that mix, all the better. If he doesn't, so be it.
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O.city 10:07 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Which I have also stated. More because of his overarching ability free up Mathieu by playing a similar hybrid role to Mathieu. I just don't see CGJ being quite as versatile and that put him in that high 2nd round tier rather than a true 1st round talent.

And again - he's the top of my 2nd round tier guys because I do like the guy. But I don't have a 1st round grade on him. Truth be told, Bradbury was the last 1st round guy I had and he DID fit a need.
You just get into a tier of guys that don't really separate themselves from guys you think will be there in the end of the 2nd.

That's my issue I have when looking around at the draft. Damn near every one I think I would like at 29, I see another guy and think "eh, I could have him at 61 and I don' t think theres much separation as a prospect". It's what makes it so damn hard picking where we are. There are always wild picks there because each team sets the board differently and it makes the scouting process so important.
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DJ's left nut 10:10 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
There isn't enough of a need at center to justify it, IMO. Safety is a MUCH bigger need.
Whereas I think Lucas is a better player than Reiter and I think Watts at least offers a lottery ticket that we simply don't have right now at C. I think we have both a better placeholder at S AND a higher ceiling backup option unless you're looking to convert McKenzie (which is a huge ask for a guy just finishing his first year as an OL).

:-)

Setting that aside, I simply think Bradbury was the best prospect left on the board.
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O.city 10:11 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
There isn't enough of a need at center to justify it, IMO. Safety is a MUCH bigger need.
I don't think I agree. I could be talked into it, but as DJ has said, I feel we could cobble together enough safeties to make it work.

I am terrified of Reiter playing C for 16 games and if Bradburry is what he's projected to be, i'll take an all pro for 5 years.
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htismaqe 10:12 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Whereas I think Lucas is a better player than Reiter and I think Watts at least offers a lottery ticket that we simply don't have right now at C. I think we have both a better placeholder at S AND a higher ceiling backup option unless you're looking to convert McKenzie (which is a huge ask for a guy just finishing his first year as an OL).
See, I have a lot more faith in Reiter than Lucas. So that's where we differ.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Setting that aside, I simply think Bradbury was the best prospect left on the board.
Yeah, I'm not going to bust your chops. You did what you thought was best. I hope the Chiefs have better options than taking a center. :-)
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htismaqe 10:15 AM 03-25-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
I don't think I agree. I could be talked into it, but as DJ has said, I feel we could cobble together enough safeties to make it work.

I am terrified of Reiter playing C for 16 games and if Bradburry is what he's projected to be, i'll take an all pro for 5 years.
Reiter started 4 games in a stretch that included the Broncos, Browns, Cardinals, and Rams. All of those teams have decent or better pass rushes. He was plenty good enough in those 4 games.

Lucas barely played at all. You're basically saying you'd trust an unknown more just because you're frightened of Mahomes getting hurt or something.
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