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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>****OFFICIAL 2019 Saccopoo CP Mock Draft Thread****
RealSNR 11:42 AM 03-09-2019
START DATE AND TIME: March 18th, noon central

RULES:

Spoiler!


Round 1
1. Arizona - kccrow - Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma
2. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky
3. New York Jets - staylor26 - Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio State
4. Oakland - Marco Polo - Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama
5. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Dwayne Haskins, QB, OSU
6. New York Giants - TambaBerry - Devin White, LB, LSU
7. Jacksonville - Chief Northman - Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
8. Detroit - chiefscafan - Brian Burns, EDGE, Florida State
9. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Ed Oliver, DT, Houston
10. Denver - Hoover - Rashan Gary, DT, Michigan
11. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Cody Ford, OT, Oklahoma
12. Green Bay - RealSNR - Noah Fant, TE, Iowa
13. Miami - The Franchise - Drew Lock, QB, Missouri
14. Atlanta - BossChief - Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State
15. Washington - htismaqe - Daniel Jones, QB, Duke
16. Carolina - Chargem - Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson
17. New York Giants (from Cleveland) - TambaBerry - Greedy Williams, CB, LSU
18. Minnesota - RealSNR - Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
19. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson
20. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - D.K. Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss
21. Seattle - BossChief - TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa
22. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
23. Houston - CoMoChief - DeAndre Baker, CB, Georgia
24. Oakland (from Chicago) - Marco Polo - Byron Murphy, CB, Washington
25. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State
26. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Nasir Adderley, S, Delaware
27. Oakland (from Dallas) - Marco Polo - Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida
28. Los Angeles Chargers - Sfeihc - Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State
29. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Garrett Bradbury, C, NC State
30. Green Bay (from New Orleans) - RealSNR - Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
31. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Greg Little, OT, Mississippi
32. New England - kccrow - Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State

Round 2
33. Arizona - kccrow - Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia
34. Indianapolis (from NYJ) - staylor26 - Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama
35. Oakland - Marco Polo - Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State
36. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State
37. NY Giants - TambaBerry - A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss
38. Jacksonville - Chief Northman - Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State
39. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State
40. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Irv Smith, TE, Alabama
41. Denver - Hoover - Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson
42. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Mack Wilson, ILB, Alabama
43. Detroit - chiefscafan - Taylor Rapp, S, Washington
44. Green Bay - RealSNR - Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame
45. Atlanta - BossChief - Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple
46. Washington - htismaqe - J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford
47. Carolina - Chargem - Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma
48. Miami - The Franchise - Justin Layne, CB, Michigan State
49. Cleveland - The Franchise - Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia
50. Minnesota - RealSNR - Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama
51. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Chris Lindstrom, G, Boston College
52. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - Julian Love, CB, Notre Dame
53. Philadelphia (from BAL) - Chief Northman - Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida
54. Houston (from SEA) - CoMoChief - D'Andre Walker, EDGE, Georgia
55. Houston - CoMoChief - Darnell Savage, S, Maryland
56. New England (from CHI) - kccrow - Zach Allen, DE, Boston College
57. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State
58. Dallas - Chargem - Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia
59. Indianapolis (from NYJ) - staylor26 - N’Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State
60. LA Chargers - Sfeihc - Deebo Samuel, WR, South Carolina
61. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Charles Omenihu, DE, Texas
62. New Orleans - htismaqe - Joejuan Williams, CB, Vanderbilt
63. Kansas City (from LAR) - DJ's left nut - Dre'Mont Jones, DT, OSU
64. New England - kccrow - Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State

Round 3
65. Arizona - kccrow - Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech
66. Pittsburgh (from Oakland) - chiefscafan - Tre Lamar, ILB, Clemson
67. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Darrell Henderson, RB, Memphis
68. New York Jets – staylor26 - David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin
69. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Erik McCoy, C/G, Texas A&M
70. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - L.J. Collier, DE, TCU
71. [Forfeited] New York Giants
72. Denver - Hoover - Michael Jordan, C/G, Ohio State
73. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan
74. New England (from Detroit) - kccrow - Max Scharping, OT, Northern Illinois
75. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Michael Deiter, G, Wisconsin
76. Green Bay – RealSNR - Evan Worthington, S, Colorado
77. Washington – htismaqe - Nate Davis, OG, Charlotte
78. Carolina - Chargem - Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion
79. Miami – The Franchise - Conner McGovern, OG, Penn State
80. Atlanta – BossChief - Mike Weber, RB, Ohio State
81. Cleveland – The Franchise - David Long, CB, Michigan
82. Minnesota – RealSNR - Elgton Jenkins, C, Mississippi State
83. Tennessee – MarcoPolo - Kaden Smith, TE, Stanford
84. Pittsburgh – chiefscafan - Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State
85. Seattle – BossChief - Ryan Finley, QB, North Carolina State
86. Baltimore – TambaBerry - Amani Hooker, S, Iowa
87. Houston - CoMoChief - Andy Isabella, WR, Massachusetts
88. Chicago – Rain Man - Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State
89. Detroit (from Philadelphia) - chiefscafan - Damien Harris, RB, Alabama
90. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan
91. Dallas – Chargem - Isaiah Buggs, DL, Alabama
92. Los Angeles Chargers – Sfeihc - Kaleb McGary, OT, Washington
93. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Germaine Pratt, LB, North Carolina State
94. New York Jets (from New Orleans) – staylor26 - Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB, Kentucky
95. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Jamel Dean, CB, Auburn
96. New York Giants (from New England) – TambaBerry - Will Grier, QB, West Virginia
97. Washington - htismaqe - Joe Jackson, EDGE/DE, Miami
98. New England - kccrow - Gerald Willis, DT, Miami
99. Jacksonville (from LA Rams) – Chief Northman - Joe Giles-Harris, ILB, Duke
100. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - T.J. Edwards, ILB, Wisconsin
101. Carolina - Chargem - Ben Powers, G, Oklahoma
102. New England - kccrow - Miles Boykin, WR, Notre Dame
103. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Jalen Hurd, WR, Baylor

Round 4
104. Arizona - kccrow - Khalen Saunders, DT, Western Illinois
105. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Christian Miller, EDGE, Alabama
106. NY Jets – staylor26 - Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia
107. Oakland – Marco Polo - Vosean Joseph, LB, Florida
108. Tampa Bay – Sfeihc - Tytus Howard, OT, Alabama State
109. New York Giants – TambaBerry - Will Harris, SS, Boston College
110. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Devin Singletary, RB, FAU
111. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Bobby Evans, OT, Oklahoma
112. Detroit - chiefscafan - Hunter Renfrow, WR, Clemson
113. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
114. Baltimore (from Denver) - TambaBerry - Josh Oliver, TE, San Jose State
115. Green Bay – RealSNR - Emanuel Hall, WR, Missouri
116. Carolina – Chargem - Drue Tranquill, LB, Notre Dame
117. Miami – The Franchise - Anthony Nelson, DE, Iowa
118. Atlanta - BossChief - Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State
119. Green Bay (from Washington) - RealSNR - Jordan Brown, CB, South Dakota State
120. Cleveland – The Franchise - Mike Bell, S, Fresno State
121. Minnesota - RealSNR - Renell Wren, DT, Arizona State
122. Tennessee – Marco Polo - Kelvin Harmon, WR, North Carolina State
123. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - Porter Gustin , LB/DE, USC
124. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Austin Bryant, EDGE, Clemson
125. Seattle - BossChief - Ben Banogu, EDGE, TCU
126. Denver (from Houston) - Hoover - Caleb Wilson, TE, UCLA
127. Chicago – Rain Man - Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
128. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Daniel Wise, DT, Kansas
129. Dallas - Chargem - Dawson Knox, TE, Ole Miss
130. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Armon Watts, DT, Arkansas
131. Los Angeles Chargers - Sfeihc - Isaiah Johnson, CB, Houston
132. Buffalo (from Kansas City) – DJ’s left nut - Terry McLaurin, WR, Ohio State
133. New York Giants (from New Orleans) – Tambaberry - Trey Pipkins, OT, Sioux Falls
134. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Ross Pierschbacher, G, Alabama
135. New England - kccrow - Jarrett Stidham, QB, Auburn
136. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Shareef Miller, EDGE, Penn State
137. Dallas - Chargem - Saivion Smith, CB, Alabama
138. Atlanta - BossChief - Greg Gaines, DT, Washington
139. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Chase Hansen, OLB, Utah

Round 5
140. Arizona - kccrow - David Sills, WR, West Virginia
141. Oakland (from NYJ) - Marco Polo - Benny Snell, Jr., RB, Kentucky
142. Pittsburgh (from OAK) - chiefscafan - Ryan Bates, OG, Penn State
143. NY Giants (from DET) - Tambaberry - Elijah Holyfield, RB, Georgia
144. NY Giants - Tambaberry - Jaquan Johnson, S, Miami
145. Cleveland (from JAX) - The Franchise - Trysten Hill, DT, Central Florida
146. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Maxx Crosby, EDGE, Eastern Michigan
147. Detroit - chiefscafan - Kyle Shurmur, QB, Vanderbilt
148. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Chuma Edoga, OT, USC
149. Denver - Hoover - Marvell Tell, III, S, USC
150. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Kris Boyd, CB, Texas
151. Green Bay - RealSNR - Dennis Daley, OT, South Carolina
152. Miami - The Franchise - Daylon Mack, DT, Texas A&M
153. Atlanta - BossChief - Clayton Thorson, QB, Northwestern
154. Washington - htismaqe - Andrew Wingard, S, Wyoming
155. Carolina - Chargem - Wyatt Ray, EDGE, Boston College
156. NY Giants (from CLE) - Tambaberry - Mitch Hyatt, OL, Clemson
157. Denver (from MIN) - Hoover - Tyree Jackson, QB, Buffalo
158. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Demarcus Christmas, DT, Florida State
159. Buffalo (from OAK) - DJ's left nut - Justin Hollins, EDGE, Oregon
160. Seattle - BossChief - Chris Slayton, DT, Syracuse
161. Baltimore - Tambaberry - Isaiah Prince, OL, Ohio State
162. Houston - CoMoChief - Darwin Thompson, RB, Utah State
163. Chicago - Rain Man - Cole Tracy, K, LSU
164. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - Michael Jackson, CB, Miami
165. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Beau Benzschawel, OG, Wisconsin
166. Dallas - Chargem - Sutton Smith, EDGE, Northern Illinois
167. LA Chargers - Sfeihc - Marquise Blair, S, Utah
168. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Mark Fields, CB, Clemson
169. New Orleans - htismaqe - Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame
170. LA Rams - Hoover - Terry Beckner, Jr. DT, Missouri
171. Cleveland (from NE) - The Franchise - Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington
172. NY Giants (COMP) - Tambaberry - Lil'Jordan Humphrey WR, Texas
173. Atlanta (COMP) - BossChief - William Sweet, OT, North Carolina
174. Washington (COMP) - htismaqe - Penny Hart, WR, Georgia State

Round 6
175. Arizona – kccrow - Bryce Love, RB, Stanford
176. Pittsburgh (from Oakland) – chiefscafan - Alijah Holder, CB, Stanford
177. San Francisco – CoMoChief - Dru Samia, OG, Oklahoma
178. New Orleans (from NY Jets) – htismaqe - Cortez Broughton, DL, Cincinnati
179. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Ricky Walker, DL, Virgina Tech
180. Arizona (from Tampa Bay) – kccrow - Kingsley Keke, DT, Texas A&M
181. New York Giants – Tambaberry - Kendall Sheffield, CB, Ohio St
182. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Trayveon Williams, RB, Texas A&M
183. Denver – Hoover - Andre James, OT/G, UCLA
184. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Antoine Wesley, WR, Texas Tech
185. Detroit – chiefscafan - Ryan Pope, OT, San Diego State
186. Green Bay – RealSNR - Mike Edwards, S, Kentucky
187. Atlanta – BossChief - Te’Von Coney, LB, Notre Dame
188. [Forfeited] Washington
189. Carolina – Chargem - Blace Brown, CB, Troy
190. Miami – The Franchise - Olisaemeka Udoh, OT, Elon
191. Cleveland – The Franchise - Hamp Cheevers, CB, Boston College
192. Minnesota – RealSNR - Rodney Anderson, RB, Oklahoma
193. Baltimore (from Tennessee) – Tambaberry - Carl Granderson, EDGE, Wyoming
194. Pittsburgh – chiefscafan - Zach Gentry, TE, Michigan
195. Baltimore – Tambaberry - David Long Jr., LB, West Virginia
196. Green Bay (from Seattle) – RealSNR - Isaac Nauta, TE, Georgia
197. Houston – CoMoChief - Jalen Jelks, EDGE, Oregon
198. New York Jets (from Chicago) – staylor26 - Albert Huggins, DT, Clemson
199. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Jakobi Meyers, WR, North Carolina State
200. Cincinnati (from Dallas) – Rain Man - Preston Williams, WR, Colorado State
201. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Jahlani Tavai, LB, Hawaii
202. Los Angeles Chargers – Sfeihc - Cameron Smith, LB, USC
203. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Anthony Ratliff-Williams, WR, UNC
204. New Orleans – htismaqe - Brett Rypien, QB, Boise St
205. Los Angeles Rams – Hoover - Jon'Vea Johnson, WR, Toledo
206. Detroit (from New England) – chiefscafan - Terronne Prescod, OG, North Carolina State
207. New England – kccrow - Dontavius Russell, DT, Auburn
208. Washington – htismaqe - Foster Moreau, TE, LSU
209. Pittsburgh (from Arizona) - chiefscafan - Darryl Johnson, OLB/DE, North Carolina A &T
210. Tampa Bay (from Philadelphia) – Sfeihc - Sheldrick Redwine, S, Miami
211. Minnesota – RealSNR - Drew Sample, TE, Washington
212. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Dax Raymond, TE, Utah State
213. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Easton Stick, QB, North Dakota State
214. San Francisco – CoMoChief - Jamal Peters, CB, Mississippi State
215. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Bobby Okereke, LB, Stanford
216. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Saquon Hampton, S, Rutgers

Round 7
217. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Ryquell Armstead, RB, Temple
218. Kansas City (from SF) - DJ's left nut - Stanley Morgan Jr, WR, Nebraska
219. NY Jets - staylor26 - Iosua Opeta, OG, Weber State
220. Oakland - Marco Polo - Dakota Allen, LB, Texas Tech
221. Pittsburgh (from TB) - chiefscafan - Ugochukwu Amadi, S, Oregon
222. NY Giants - Tambaberry - Jazz Ferguson, WR, Northwestern State
223. Cleveland (from JAX) - The Franchise - Khari Willis, S, Michigan State
224. Philadelphia (from DEN) - Chief Northman - Lamont Gaillard, C, Georgia
225. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Matt Gay, K, Utah
226. Detroit - chiefscafan - Tommy Sweeney, TE, Boston College
227. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Corey Ballentine, CB, Washburn
228. Green Bay - RealSNR - Shaq Calhoun, G, Mississippi State
229. Washington - htismaqe - Devine Ozigbo, RB, Nebraska
230. Carolina - Chargem - Tyler Jones, OT, NC State
231. Detroit (from MIA) - chiefscafan - Jimmy Moreland, CB, James Madison University
232. Atlanta - BossChief - Hjalte Froholdt, OG, Arkansas
233. Miami (from CLE) - The Franchise - Dexter Williams, RB, Notre Dame
234. NY Giants (from MIN) - Tambaberry - DaMarkus Lodge, WR, Ole Miss
235. Miami (from TEN) - The Franchise - Tim Ward, DE, Old Dominion
236. Cleveland (from PIT) - The Franchise - Alex Bars, OG, Notre Dame
237. Oakland (from SEA) - Marco Polo - Martez Ivey, OT, Florida
238. Jacksonville (from BAL) - Chief Northman - Lukas Denis, S, Boston College
239. Houston - CoMoChief - Xavier Crawford, CB, Central Michigan
240. Chicago - Rain Man - Montre Hartage, CB, Northwestern
241. New England (from PHI) - kccrow - Karan Higdon, RB, Michigan
242. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Darius Slayton, WR, Auburn
243. Dallas - Chargem - Ronheen Bingham, DE, Arkansas State
244. Buffalo (from LAC) - DJ's left nut - John Cominsky, DE, Charleston
245. San Francisco (from KC) - CoMoChief - Iman Marshall, CB, USC
246. New Orleans - htismaqe - Dillon Mitchell, WR, Oregon
247. NY Giants (from LAR) - Tambaberry - Gary Jennings, WR, WVU
248. New England - kccrow - Cole Holcomb, ILB, North Carolina
249. Minnesota (COMP) - RealSNR - Keesean Johnson, WR, Fresno State
250. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo
251. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Jordan Brailford, EDGE, Oklahoma St.
252. Minnesota (COMP) - RealSNR - Stephen Denmark, CB, Valdosta State
253. LA Rams (COMP) -Hoover - Nate Hall, OLB, Northwestern
254. New England (COMP) - kccrow - Nik Needham, CB, UTEP
255. Washington (COMP) - htismaqe - Malik Gant, S, Marshall
256. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland
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DJ's left nut 10:27 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I'm not at all looking for a Hill clone. Andy Isabella just screams "Patriots". Imagine what Mahomes could do with a shifty, speedy possession receiver?
I just don't know how you can call a 5'9'' dude a possession receiver. You've gotta be so damn precise with a guy that has that kind of catch radius.

That's just too much draft capital for a guy who I think is limited to a Y receiver kind of role.
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O.city 10:27 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And all of that is why I wouldn't do either of those things. Give me McLaurin or Boykin in the 3rd over both of those options. I may even prefer Mecole Hardman. Emanuel Hall may be there in the 3rd, Riley Ridley, Paris Campbell, Debo Samuel.

I'd sit tight through the first 2 rounds if you're talking about Isabella as a 2nd rounder. If AJ Brown somehow fell that far or maybe even N'Keal Harry - I might jump. But I just don't see a good value fit likely in the 2nd.
If Hill isn't a Chiefs or they think he won't be in August, that calculus may change a little though no?
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htismaqe 10:28 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And all of that is why I wouldn't do either of those things. Give me McLaurin or Boykin in the 3rd over both of those options. I may even prefer Mecole Hardman. Emanuel Hall may be there in the 3rd, Riley Ridley, Paris Campbell, Debo Samuel.

I'd sit tight through the first 2 rounds if you're talking about Isabella as a 2nd rounder. If AJ Brown somehow fell that far or maybe even N'Keal Harry - I might jump. But I just don't see a good value fit likely in the 2nd.
I absolutely agree.

Like I told O.city, it's not my first choice. But I prefer Isabella over trading up or taking someone in the first.

Ideally, they'd not take a WR until the 3rd, where one of the guys you mentioned would be there. That's better value.
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htismaqe 10:30 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think you're wildly underestimating the impact Hill has on the offense. Mahomes is good, sure. But he's not been asked to ever make chicken salad here.

He's had filet all around him at his skill spots and i'm not sure I want to start subtracting them that quick
Well, if the Hill thing has legs, there's not very damn much that can be done about it, huh? That's the issue. It's not like they're saying they just don't want to pay him or something. It really isn't in the Chiefs hands until the investigation is complete. They can't sit on their hands and pass up opportunities, even if it is putting a band-aid on a great white bite.
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DJ's left nut 10:30 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think you're wildly underestimating the impact Hill has on the offense. Mahomes is good, sure. But he's not been asked to ever make chicken salad here.

He's had filet all around him at his skill spots and i'm not sure I want to start subtracting them that quick
Hugely so.

Losing Hill would be crushing for this offense. It's just like people saying "we don't need a C, we have Mahomes...."

I mean we cannot just keep piling more and more shit on this kid. Sooner or later you will hit a tipping point where he's either struggling to make the play or taking bigger and bigger hits to pull them off.

Losing Hill would be brutal and I think it would take the Super Bowl off the table. There's no way to hand waive what he adds to this offense. You remove the Z receiver from Reid's offense and you damn near have to scrap it. It's especially damaging when you can't trust Watkins to play more than 8-10 games.
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O.city 10:32 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Well, if the Hill thing has legs, there's not very damn much that can be done about it, huh? That's the issue. It's not like they're saying they just don't want to pay him or something. It really isn't in the Chiefs hands until the investigation is complete. They can't sit on their hands and pass up opportunities, even if it is putting a band-aid on a great white bite.
It definitely sucks ass holes
Lots of them
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DJ's left nut 10:32 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
If Hill isn't a Chiefs or they think he won't be in August, that calculus may change a little though no?
Not really.

If Hill's not a Chief, you're gonna have to go to the drawing board and win a completely different way. The 2018 Chiefs offense as we knew it, the high-flying, 50 TD, 5,000 Yard, big play waiting to happen offense will be dead.

You're gonna have to learn to play a more conventional and sadly, conservative style. You're gonna have to try to play more complementary football.

You can use a 3rd rounder on a replacement X prospect and hope Watkins can give you some solid production at the Z when he's healthy (with Robinson likely your X for most of the year anyway), but that's just a standard deviation removed from where we were.

You're gonna need the first 3 picks to figure out how best to effectuate your plan B. Be that beefing up your OL to buy more time for diminished weapons to get open or a TE to play more 12 personnel. Or DL/Secondary to lean more heavily on your defense. Plan B gets the majority of your draft capital at that point, not attempting to salvage Plan A. Plan A is at the bottom of the North Atlantic and it ain't coming back...

It would suuuuuuuck.
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O.city 10:33 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Hugely so.

Losing Hill would be crushing for this offense. It's just like people saying "we don't need a C, we have Mahomes...."

I mean we cannot just keep piling more and more shit on this kid. Sooner or later you will hit a tipping point where he's either struggling to make the play or taking bigger and bigger hits to pull them off.

Losing Hill would be brutal and I think it would take the Super Bowl off the table. There's no way to hand waive what he adds to this offense. You remove the Z receiver from Reid's offense and you damn near have to scrap it. It's especially damaging when you can't trust Watkins to play more than 8-10 games.
Sad face
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RunKC 10:35 AM 03-28-2019
Mecole Hardman.

He’s more Tyler Lockett, but man can that kid fly. He’d be excellent insurance for Hill and you might be able to get him in rd 3. Wouldn’t be opposed to taking him at 63.
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O.city 10:36 AM 03-28-2019
That would be my choice but I doubt you’re getting much from him in year 1
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The Franchise 10:38 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
That would be my choice but I doubt you’re getting much from him in year 1
I doubt you're getting much from anybody in year 1.

It's not perfect by any means....but we'd have Watkins, Robinson and Pringle....unless they brought in a mid-tier FA.
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htismaqe 10:38 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Not really.

If Hill's not a Chief, you're gonna have to go to the drawing board and win a completely different way. The 2018 Chiefs offense as we knew it, the high-flying, 50 TD, 5,000 Yard, big play waiting to happen offense will be dead.

You're gonna have to learn to play a more conventional and sadly, conservative style. You're gonna have to try to play more complementary football.

You can use a 3rd rounder on a replacement X prospect and hope Watkins can give you some solid production at the Z when he's healthy (with Robinson likely your X for most of the year anyway), but that's just a standard deviation removed from where we were.

You're gonna need the first 3 picks to figure out how best to effectuate your plan B. Be that beefing up your OL to buy more time for diminished weapons to get open or a TE to play more 12 personnel. Or DL/Secondary to lean more heavily on your defense. Plan B gets the majority of your draft capital at that point, not attempting to salvage Plan A. Plan A is at the bottom of the North Atlantic and it ain't coming back...

It would suuuuuuuck.
Yes it would suck. But it isn't the end of the world. Geez...
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DJ's left nut 10:46 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Yes it would suck. But it isn't the end of the world. Geez...
No it isn't, but you can't continue to pursue the same plan with a lesser piece.

You gotta pursue better pieces for a different plan at that point. And if Mecole Hardman comes in and pulls a Hill while Watkins gives you 16 games as a viable Z, then hey - you're in business.

But I think both of those are so unlikely that you're in a 'prepare for the worst and hope for the best' mode. You change directions at that point and if you get lucky, then hey - the offense is still great AND you've beefed up elsehwere.
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htismaqe 10:47 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
No it isn't, but you can't continue to pursue the same plan with a lesser piece.

You gotta pursue better pieces for a different plan at that point. And if Mecole Hardman comes in and pulls a Hill while Watkins gives you 16 games as a viable Z, then hey - you're in business.

But I think both of those are so unlikely that you're in a 'prepare for the worst and hope for the best' mode. You change directions at that point and if you get lucky, then hey - the offense is still great AND you've beefed up elsehwere.
I don't disagree with that. They can't do what Andy did in Phily, that's for sure. He kept trying to get WR's when it was clear it wasn't working. He really never did move on to Plan B and that's what killed him.
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DJ's left nut 10:53 AM 03-28-2019
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Wonder if Gary slides in the draft....if that's the guy we're looking to trade up for.
Gary is one that I REALLY don't like.

That guy has underwear champion written all over him. I mean I don't want to put too fine a point on this, but the guy just kinda sucked in college.

Maybe someone has a reason for that but I sure don't. If they give up an additional 2nd day pick (or god help us, a 1st rounder next year) to move up for that guy, I'd be pretty pissed off.

I'd take Ferrell over Gary without question. I'd at least consider Sweat over Ferrell because the production and measurables are there, for the most part. Gary, OTOH, could amount to precisely dick in this league because there's a reason he was a virtual non-factor in Ann Arbor.
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