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The Dumbass Lounge>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Go Royals 08:03 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/12...022040064?s=21
I've seen you post a couple of these serology things - forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is this data showing?
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O.city 08:07 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Go Royals:
I've seen you post a couple of these serology things - forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is this data showing?
Itís blood tests that show antibodies of who has been infected and recovered
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Bearcat 08:14 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
What was left off that clip:

LaPook, March 8: There’s a lot of confusion among people, and misinformation, surrounding face masks. Can you discuss that?

Fauci: The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else… Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.

LaPook: You’re sure of it? Because people are listening really closely to this.

Fauci: …There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

LaPook: And can you get some schmutz, sort of staying inside there?

Fauci: Of course, of course. But, when you think masks, you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who, when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks — that’s fine, that’s fine. I’m not against it. If you want to do it, that’s fine.

LaPook: But it can lead to a shortage of masks?

Fauci: Exactly, that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it.
Yeah, given NYC was still a week or two away from shit hitting the fan, and still being in the early stages of figuring out how contagious it was, and dumbasses hoarding toilet paper.... they didn't want the dumbasses to hoard masks, too.

That said, I don't like the bolded comment at all. He's perfectly on point by saying "it's not providing the perfect protection that people think it is", in this black and white world. Like someone posted last night, masks aren't perfect, social distancing isn't perfect, etc... but, there's at least some value in each of those things.

Saying there's no reason and it's not perfect is just as black and white as most people make things out to be, so you're giving people with black & white reasoning some black & white reasons not to do something, instead of a little education on how a mask could help, but perhaps isn't required at the time.
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Donger 08:18 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Yeah, given NYC was still a week or two away from shit hitting the fan, and still being in the early stages of figuring out how contagious it was, and dumbasses hoarding toilet paper.... they didn't want the dumbasses to hoard masks, too.

That said, I don't like the bolded comment at all. He's perfectly on point by saying "it's not providing the perfect protection that people think it is", in this black and white world. Like someone posted last night, masks aren't perfect, social distancing isn't perfect, etc... but, there's at least some value in each of those things.

Saying there's no reason and it's not perfect is just as black and white as most people make things out to be, so you're giving black & white people black & white reasons not to do something.
The "there's no reason" comment is linked to the time and situation we were in when he said it. We weren't in a pandemic yet. But there's also no doubt that he was also thinking about the lack of PPE for health care workers:

But Fauci said he has no regrets about not telling Americans to wear masks early in the pandemic.

"At that time, there was a paucity of equipment that our health care providers needed -- who put themselves daily in harm's way of taking care of people who are ill," he said.

"We did not want to divert masks and PPE (personal protective equipment) away from them, to be used by the people." But now, Fauci said, "we have enough."


Shitty situation and decision for them to be in, really.
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Bearcat 08:36 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
The "there's no reason" comment is linked to the time and situation we were in when he said it. We weren't in a pandemic yet. But there's also no doubt that he was also thinking about the lack of PPE for health care workers:

But Fauci said he has no regrets about not telling Americans to wear masks early in the pandemic.

"At that time, there was a paucity of equipment that our health care providers needed -- who put themselves daily in harm's way of taking care of people who are ill," he said.

"We did not want to divert masks and PPE (personal protective equipment) away from them, to be used by the people." But now, Fauci said, "we have enough."


Shitty situation and decision for them to be in, really.
Sure, but the messaging of "they won't help you anyway, but they do help the healthcare workers who need them" just didn't work well, IMO.

Say they're effective, and people hoard. Say "save them for the healthcare workers", people hoard. Say they aren't effective, the people who don't want to wear them will cling to the statement for eternity.

Maybe something along the lines of "right now, there are several other ways to prevent the spread, which are just as effective... social distancing, no large groups, etc" ...maybe that would have gotten the point across without the contradiction.

But, that's all in hindsight, of course... trying to get the point across perfectly to 300 million people in order to do the right thing at the time, but another right thing later, all with limited and ever-changing information, isn't easy.
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neech 08:41 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by NewChief:
My wife runs a business that involves working closely with individuals or small groups on design choices (wedding invites). They require masks during appointments. A lady told my wife she needed to take her mask off because they're uncomfortable and she has a hard time breathing with it on. She then sneezed on my wife within a minute of having it off.
People have sneezed for centuries, nothing new.
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Donger 08:43 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Sure, but the messaging of "they won't help you anyway, but they do help the healthcare workers who need them" just didn't work well, IMO.

Say they're effective, and people hoard. Say "save them for the healthcare workers", people hoard. Say they aren't effective, the people who don't want to wear them will cling to the statement for eternity.

Maybe something along the lines of "right now, there are several other ways to prevent the spread, which are just as effective... social distancing, no large groups, etc" ...maybe that would have gotten the point across without the contradiction.

But, that's all in hindsight, of course... trying to get the point across perfectly to 300 million people in order to do the right thing at the time, but another right thing later, all with limited and ever-changing information, isn't easy.
I don't disagree.
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Monticore 08:43 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Or maybe you are just being a dick because I pointed out a glaring and most obvious fact about his (stump's) statement and you don't like it?
Your post wasnít as big a gotcha as you think it was .

Sometimes adults say things in a way that will seem like a lie because things were omitted for the purpose of getting the desired results at the time , and people who donít understand the big picture can tend to fixate that small aspect over and over missing the whole fucking point.
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neech 08:47 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
You'll notice that he said "right now." At that time, we had not witnessed confirmed community spread. So, yes, I agree.
Truths can change I see, you would think masks were only invented this year.

The wall is blue one day and red the next, whatever they tell you it is at the time. Throw your own reasoning aside.
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O.city 08:48 AM 07-01-2020
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...06.29.174888v1
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Donger 08:50 AM 07-01-2020
The Covid-19 vaccine candidate being developed by US pharmaceutical company Pfizer and German biotechnology company BioNTech has yielded positive data in early tests, according to data released by the companies.

The companies announced these preliminary findings on Wednesday in a pre-print paper that shows participants in a Phase 1/2 study of the vaccine, called BNT162b1, responded to the immunization and it was found to be well tolerated. The Phase 1/2 study is ongoing. The data has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed medical journal.

"These clinical findings for the BNT162b1 RNA-based vaccine candidate are encouraging and strongly support accelerated clinical development and at-risk manufacturing to maximize the opportunity for the rapid production of a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine to prevent COVID-19 disease," the researchers wrote in the pre-print paper, which was sponsored by BioNTech and designed by Pfizer.

How the study was conducted: For the initial study, 45 participants ages 18 to 55 were randomly assigned to either receive a certain dose of the vaccine or placebo.

Twelve participants received two 10 microgram doses 21 days apart; 12 received two 30 microgram doses 21 days apart; 12 received a single 100 microgram dose on day one; and nine received placebo, according to the study.

In the seven days following injection of the vaccine, some participants who received a dose reported pain in the injection site, fever or sleep disturbances, but "no serious adverse events were reported," according to the paper.

Early results of the study: The researchers found that the vaccine generated antibodies against the coronavirus in all of the participants by 28 days after receiving a single injection of 100 micrograms or seven days after receiving a second dose of either 10 or 30 micrograms.

"These preliminary data are encouraging, showing that BNT162b1 which exploits RBD SARS-CoV-2 as a target antigen is able to produce neutralizing antibody responses in humans at or above the levels observed in convalescent sera – and that it does so at relatively low dose levels. We look forward to providing further data updates on BNT162b1," Dr. Ugur Sahin, CEO and co-founder of BioNTech, said in a company press release on Wednesday.

Pfizer and BioNTech announced on Wednesday that this preliminary data will help them determine a dose level for the vaccine then select which of their multiple vaccine candidates to progress to a larger-scale global Phase 2/3 study, possibly beginning as early as this month.

According to the World Health Organization, there are 17 coronavirus candidate vaccines in clinical evaluation globally.
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Donger 08:52 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by neech:
Truths can change I see, you would think masks were only invented this year.

The wall is blue one day and red the next, whatever they tell you it is at the time. Throw your own reasoning aside.
No, the truth is that we hadn't seen confirmed community spread when he said that, so we weren't in a pandemic when he said that.

Do you dispute that fact?
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Bearcat 08:54 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by neech:
Truths can change I see, you would think masks were only invented this year.

The wall is blue one day and red the next, whatever they tell you it is at the time. Throw your own reasoning aside.
The truth at the time was the real possibility of mask shortages.

Later on, it wasn't a concern.

I could imagine some outlandish scenario where mask production went into high gear due to a worldwide pandemic and possible shortages.


Another truth at the time was they didn't know how contagious Covid was and as Donger mentioned, hadn't seen it in action in the US yet.
Later on, they learned things, so conclusions changed.

That's generally how the world works.
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petegz28 08:55 AM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Your post wasnít as big a gotcha as you think it was .

Sometimes adults say things in a way that will seem like a lie because things were omitted for the purpose of getting the desired results at the time , and people who donít understand the big picture can tend to fixate that small aspect over and over missing the whole ****ing point.
Riiiighhhttt.....he lied. Period. Reasoning aside, he lied.
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Donger 08:55 AM 07-01-2020
Yay...

WASHINGTON — An initiative to provide Americans with free face coverings has run out of supplies, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. The shortfall comes as the nation struggles to contain the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed nearly 130,000 people in the United States.

Project: America Strong was initiated by the federal government to distribute “reusable cotton face coverings to critical infrastructure sectors, companies, healthcare facilities, and faith-based and community organizations across the country to help slow the spread of COVID-19,” according to the project’s website.

The project appears to have run out of face masks in recent days. “The demand for the face coverings has exceeded supply. As a result, we are no longer accepting new requests. We are currently assessing requests on hand and prioritizing delivery to support populations most susceptible to the disease,” the website now says.
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